nickf
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My understanding is that the Spanish Government owns the freeholdand and leases out the Marina(s) to developers/opperators who then sublease a number of the berths.
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Decided To Buy a Berth In Palamós: Advice Please
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westernman
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What really happens at the end of the lease?
Are you really left without anything and kicked out?
Are you really left without anything and kicked out?
chinita
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I asked that question a hundred times; the most I got was a shrug.
In my case there was unexpired sufficient time to take a calculated risk.
jimbaerselman
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Yes. Just like the lease expiry on a leasehold flat in UK. A lease is effectively a fixed term rental.
JamesFrance
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The berths on the costa brava are very expensive, south of Barcelona the prices are much more reasonable.
chinita
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One other thing for the OP to watch out for is to check that, on his Contract, the Berth Number and location is actually specified.
A friend who bought a berth in Torreveija returned late one Sunday evening to find his boat missing. After walking around the marina with the security guard he found it.
The next day he was told by the office that he had merely bought 'the right to berth' not 'a specific berth'.
Naturally, he was a bit miffed but could do nothing about it.
A friend who bought a berth in Torreveija returned late one Sunday evening to find his boat missing. After walking around the marina with the security guard he found it.
The next day he was told by the office that he had merely bought 'the right to berth' not 'a specific berth'.
Naturally, he was a bit miffed but could do nothing about it.
Chris_Robb
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If the Marina goes bust, you then have nothing!
damsis44
Member
I think this is standard practice in a lot of places. Marinas won't put a berth number on a contract because it can then be classed as a permanent berth, and therefore you become a permanent resident. This opens up a can of worms wrt marina's insurance, business rates, residency for tax purposes, etc. They can say they don't have permanent residents if they only supply the right to a berth, not a specific berth.
Of course this doesn't stop them having permanent residents, they're just not 'officially' recognised.
That's how it was explained to me by office bod in a Clyde marina, so can only assume the same thing may apply anywhere in Europe?
chinita
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I owned three berths in one marina in Spain.
Separate Contracts for each berth, pontoon and berth numbers included along with marina diagram.
Contract in Spanish and English prepared by Marina Lawyers and Notarised by myself locally.
That way, tenants could have a copy of the contract so they knew the berth was actually owned by me and, eventually, each berth was subsequently sold individually.
Separate Contracts for each berth, pontoon and berth numbers included along with marina diagram.
Contract in Spanish and English prepared by Marina Lawyers and Notarised by myself locally.
That way, tenants could have a copy of the contract so they knew the berth was actually owned by me and, eventually, each berth was subsequently sold individually.
JustinC
Member
They don´t even have to wait for the lease to end to chuck you out, this is what has happened at the Port Vell in Barcelona.
Abramovich, through some holding company in Monaco, has paid off the local mayor and bought out the rest of the lease from the company who was managing it.
He´s had building plans approved in Monaco (!) to change it to a Port for his mega-yacht cronies (nothing under 25m will be allowed to stay for longer than 1 or 2 nights, at an extorcinate (sp?) price), and people started being forced out in Nov.
The port is now half empty, and as the year contracts expire, then people are being forced to move on.
Prospective buyers be warned!
Abramovich, through some holding company in Monaco, has paid off the local mayor and bought out the rest of the lease from the company who was managing it.
He´s had building plans approved in Monaco (!) to change it to a Port for his mega-yacht cronies (nothing under 25m will be allowed to stay for longer than 1 or 2 nights, at an extorcinate (sp?) price), and people started being forced out in Nov.
The port is now half empty, and as the year contracts expire, then people are being forced to move on.
Prospective buyers be warned!
charles_reed
Active member
Well done Chinita, hope you made a profit.
I note the rule of law is a little shaky around the Med - us Brits living in a country which has suffered no foreign invasion for 9.5 centuries, cut off our monarch's head 140 years before the French followed suit and have enjoyed a nation-state for a very long time should not expect a similar law-abiding situation in countries which have only been so for less than a couple of centuries- Greece, Italy, Belgium, Germany and so on.