Decided not to buy the boat I mentioned in the lounge....

[oGaryo]

Thanks for the advice in the Lounge... for those interested, posting outcome here as now definitely boaty rather than how to manage buyer competition.. Slept on the advice given and then looked clearly at what I know about the boat and have decided to walk away.. why?

research on the QSD engine didn't fill me with confidence especially considering there is no/little service history nor invoice details of who installed them and therefore, how well they did the install when the boat was re-engined

sub 20 hours use on 3 year old engines seems weird.. couple with above = not worth the risk of buying blind. I have the engine serial numbers though but as yet, haven't researched their history further

couple the above with an unknown manufacturer history for the fit out aspects of the shell.. it's the only boat of its make and model I can find anywhere although, I do know the hull is Colvic based.

condition of interior needs work and whilst not a show stopper, is a factor.

ultimately though, Deb and I are currently changing boats frequently and I feel this boat would be hard to sell on given all the above.. price would be the driver so would need to be purchased at a very low price to derisk that aspect.

positves? price, Colvic hull, Broker and boat age but not enough to mitigate the above, for me at least... a potential bargain for someone though, alot of boat for the price for someone less risk averse than I.

Link to old advert from Nov last year: scroll down to the removed advert section

Link to current advert: Sealord 344

 

[rafiki_]

Nice looking boat Gary, and a lot of boat for the money too.

 

[Searush]

ultimately though, Deb and I are currently changing boats frequently and I feel this boat would be hard to sell on given all the above.. price would be the driver so would need to be purchased at a very low price to derisk that aspect.

I know you mobo types are a fickle lot, but why are you anticipating to change frequently? It's an unsettling & often expensive business. Every "new" used boat is a risk & almost all will require some sort of repair/ update or fresh kit to suit your needs. Are your needs realy hanging that often & if so, why not charter? That way you get a different boat in a different location (assuming you still want that) at no extra cost.

Or, take a good look at how you use the boat if that is actually likely to change, spend wisely & stick with that boat for a decent period of time. Manage depreciation with good maintenance & careful use.

TBH I haven't checked the link, but Colvics are mostly displacement or semi-displacement hulls such boats are ideal for long term ownership - they are not fashionable flash mobo's that quickly look out of date. Try to think long term too.

 

[oGaryo]

I know you mobo types are a fickle lot, but why are you anticipating to change frequently? It's an unsettling & often expensive business. Every "new" used boat is a risk & almost all will require some sort of repair/ update or fresh kit to suit your needs. Are your needs realy hanging that often & if so, why not charter? That way you get a different boat in a different location (assuming you still want that) at no extra cost.

Or, take a good look at how you use the boat if that is actually likely to change, spend wisely & stick with that boat for a decent period of time. Manage depreciation with good maintenance & careful use.

TBH I haven't checked the link, but Colvics are mostly displacement or semi-displacement hulls such boats are ideal for long term ownership - they are not fashionable flash mobo's that quickly look out of date. Try to think long term too.

good points as always mate... reason for our changes thus far and loss factor for each change:

boat 1: 17ft Bowrider - just wrong for a family but got me and the boys in to boating, wife would not step foot on the thing... sold for profit after 10 months

boat 2: 19ft cuddy - better for family but couldn't overnight stay so sold after 12 months, wife showed an interest and went on the occassional trip. sold for a profit

boat 3: 25ft 4 berth sportcrusier, able to spend a good few nights on her but getting cheesed off with the canvas hassle so looking for a 4 to 6 berth hardtop / flybridge affair. Wife can't get enough of boating and loves the marina experience.. wants something bigger!

Of course, could have gone straight for a 6 berth, 30 plus something 3 years ago, shackled myself with debt and found I didn't enjoy boating or had an expensive prang whilst learning the ropes... whereas the route I've taken has helped me try out various aspects of boating at no additional expense + my knowledge now will help me choose the next right boat for that particular period..... until something else hacks me off and I need to change again

all the above makes complete sense to me but fully respect it may not to your

 

[oGaryo]

Nice looking boat Gary, and a lot of boat for the money too.

yep, everything shouts bargain, grab it now but just have a gut feel it's the wrong one for us... now if I could find out everything about the engine history, I'd be much more comfortable.. have the engine serial numbers but not sure who to run them by to get the history from an install and service perspective... it sound like, they were installed 3 years ago and then the boat's sat about not being used which as I understand it, isn't great for an engine.

 

[rafiki_]

I wouldn't be overly worried about the lack of engine use, as long as the maintenance has been done properly. Not easy to find out without receipts as you know.

Latestarter has a lot of engine knowledge, and you could contact him for his thoughts. You could also get someone to give the engines/transmissions a good going over, at the current owners expense, if they are keen to sell.

NYA are solid brokers, and will probably know a bit about the boat and its history. Where has she been used? If on the Broads, then any use will be very light duty.

 

[Greg2]

Funny, walked past that boat today and thought it looked okay but have never heard of the make/model. Looked a bit reminiscent of some Birchwoods....

 

[photodog]

2 x 165hp on a flybridge 35 foooter....

Not going to be quick!



Have you looked at a circa 2000 Sealine S34 or 28....??

Sounds like they might be up your street...



Blimey she's nearly 40 feet LOA!!!

 

[Firefly625]

2 x 165hp on a flybridge 35 foooter....

Not going to be quick!



Have you looked at a circa 2000 Sealine S34 or 28....??

Sounds like they might be up your street...



Blimey she's nearly 40 feet LOA!!!

very little use, 2006, decent size, for £50k odd.... does look very Birchwood esk...and very cheap...

 

[oGaryo]

2 x 165hp on a flybridge 35 foooter....

Not going to be quick!



Have you looked at a circa 2000 Sealine S34 or 28....??

Sounds like they might be up your street...

that's the other thing... one website suggests 200hp per lump, the other 165... I believe they're the 200's. spec on the site suggest top end of 32kts

yep the s34's of interest but ideally want something with a roof / hardtop

 

[oGaryo]

Funny, walked past that boat today and thought it looked okay but have never heard of the make/model. Looked a bit reminiscent of some Birchwoods....

you didn't happen to have a peak inside did you? would be interested in your view on fit out if you did... bodge job or professionally done

 

[oGaryo]

Blimey she's nearly 40 feet LOA!!!

I'm not sure it is you know, tuther site shows nearer 33ft, not 38. all adds to the ??????'s in my head as there's so much different between the two adverts.

looks to be fitted with Bravo II sterdrives too which I've no experience of in terms of affecting performance other than hole shot is good apparently with the big props but that's just me googling

 

[Blackfeather]

32 knots max with twin 200s (or twin 165s) - I think not.......

 

[z1ppy]

A good move I think Gary.

I tend to buy things with a view to selling them on ( because we like you tend to change frequently!) and I reckon that would be a tough one to shift for the reasons you say.

As for the canvas think, sc29 maybe? Or the all round better sc35. Maybe an older but well cared for fly bridge?

When you coming down to pick your berth?

 

[oGaryo]

A good move I think Gary.

I tend to buy things with a view to selling them on ( because we like you tend to change frequently!) and I reckon that would be a tough one to shift for the reasons you say.

As for the canvas think, sc29 maybe? Or the all round better sc35. Maybe an older but well cared for fly bridge?

When you coming down to pick your berth?

on my way down in 10 mins mate.. but with it being Sunday I presume the OC office is closed.. working out of our Fareham office in the morning so may be able to nip in first thing in the morning or mid afternoon before hitting the road for Truro (another week of hotels )

am only considering the Flybridge for you, Roy and the girls to have plenty of places to put your glasses when round for a social

 

[Greg2]

you didn't happen to have a peak inside did you? would be interested in your view on fit out if you did... bodge job or professionally done

Only a quick peek through the window - looked okay but didn't see enough to comment on quality etc

 

[lovezoo]

that's the other thing... one website suggests 200hp per lump, the other 165... I believe they're the 200's. spec on the site suggest top end of 32kts

yep the s34's of interest but ideally want something with a roof / hardtop

Well the picture of the engines shows 200hp printed on the cover, so I would guess that is the right value. Don't say out loud that it has outdrives though or the usual suspects will be on to tell you it must have sunk by now.

 

[longjohnsilver]

If memory serves me right I think Sealords were Colvic hulls and then fitted out either in Yeovil or somewhere in Wiltshire. Have seen a few about but never up close. If you're concerned about selling it on then probably right to walk away, but still worth a look, could be the right boat for the longer term?

 

[photodog]

If memory serves me right I think Sealords were Colvic hulls and then fitted out either in Yeovil or somewhere in Wiltshire. Have seen a few about but never up close. If you're concerned about selling it on then probably right to walk away, but still worth a look, could be the right boat for the longer term?

They had a place near Yeovil for sure for a while...

IIRC they might have gone through 2 incarnations....

I thought they did bigger aft cabin boats than this....

 

[jfm]

Gotta say, it looks a nice boat to me. Sealord is a small brand but not unknown. They and Sunquest were brands for colvic-based boats, and there must be maybe 30-40 units in existence (of all sizes not this partic model), built over several years. biggest was a 50er or something like that. Has zero connection with Birchwood brand

Fit out looks professional. Low hours over 3 years or whatever is unlikley to be a problem. Obviously you need surveys etc

I'd check if it weas really built in 2006 becuase RL70CRC plotters didn't exist then; had been repalced by E80

It wont be the easiest thing to sell on but if you got it for low-40s you might be ok. £54k feels a bit too expensive to me, but that's not to say it's a no-go, just that it isn't priced right

At this age it should have a full HIN number and CE mark, so you should be able to trace the builder working from there. Just ask the broker for the HIN and letters 2-3-4 will identify the builder. If missing, suggests it was DIY fit out and therefore much less valuable £££-wise

Just my £0.02. I'm nowhere as close as you to detail and so am talking superficially.