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This from Daniel Vockins
Campaign manager, Lighter Later


Sometimes things don’t go your way. Today was one of those days.

About an hour ago the Daylight Saving Bill failed to pass its Third Reading in the House of Commons.

The problem wasn’t a lack of support. Even with over 120 supportive MPs in the Commons, the support of 90 national organisations, the UK government and strong public opinion polls, a couple of hostile MPs were able to run down the clock with a series of ‘wrecking amendments’ designed to waste time, so the bill never even went to a vote. The tricks they use to hold up the process – from quoting the bible to hiding in the Commons lobby – are an affront to the democratic process.

Today’s result illustrates everything that’s wrong with the Private Member’s Bill system.

We’re really angry about this, and many MPs feel the same way (see below for a few choice reactions). More than 120 of them have given up a day of of constituency meetings to be in Westminster and support the bill. We fell foul of a broken system that’s crying out for reform, so our first job is to see if there’s another way to make this happen.

There are a few options on the table, from persuading the government to take up the legislation itself, to lobbying for more parliamentary time. But for now, I’d just like to say a massive thank you for all your hard work: lobbying your MP, donating to the campaign or just arguing for lighter evenings at the pub or around the dinner table.

Together we’ve moved the clock change debate further forward than it’s been for decades, and shown how a whole new approach to campaigning can work. We’ve built something pretty special over the last couple of years, and I can’t wait to see where it goes next.

We’ll be back in touch soon with an update, but in the meantime you can talk/vent about today’s result and possible next steps on Twitter with#lighterlater or on the Lighter Later Facebook page.

Thank you,

Daniel Vockins
Campaign manager, Lighter Later
 
What a surprise - never going to be allowed to make any progress with the Scottish referendum in the offing.
 
was sad to hear the bill failed, especially under the circumstances....democracy hey !

one glimmer of hope though. if the scots go there own way things might get moved on quicker here in "england"
 
Interesting that Norway and Sweden have GMT +2 in summer and GMT +1 in winter.

Scottish NFU were for the trial by the way.

Just a thought, but why not have two time zones in the British Isles ?

Us play sailors cope fine when visiting Europe .
 
About an hour ago the Daylight Saving Bill failed to pass its Third Reading in the House of Commons.

That means we keep the present system ??

Thank god for that!!

Some of us can remember when we kept "BST" throughout the winter for a trial period in the early 1970s.

It was a failure and disliked then.. why should things be any different 40 years on?

You want to get up an hour earlier? ... Set your fecking alarm clock an hour earlier and leave me in bed.
 
Explanation please

Why do we not stick to UT (GMT) all year round? Iceland seem to manage and they are further north then the UK.
Can someone please explain the thinking behind changing. Really would like to know, genuine question.
 
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That means we keep the present system ??

Thank god for that!!

Some of us can remember when we kept "BST" throughout the winter for a trial period in the early 1970s.

It was a failure and disliked then.. why should things be any different 40 years on?

You want to get up an hour earlier? ... Set your fecking alarm clock an hour earlier and leave me in bed.
+1. Remember it not getting light until 0900 and still dull at 1000 in the earlier trial. Grim!
There was BST and BDST during the war, but we went smartly back to the prewar status quo as soon as possible.
 
Today’s result illustrates everything that’s wrong with the Private Member’s Bill system.
Whatever one thinks about Daylight Saving, it is outrageous that the democratic process can be thwarted like this. As you say, the majority of well-supported Private Members bills are blocked by talking-out.

Although lip-service is frequently paid to reform, we are unlikely to see any change since governments have a vested interest - they do not want the adoption of legislation off their own agenda. I believe the only parliament that bans filibustering is Australia.
 
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Daylight savings in West Australia

As a matter of interest. West Australia on a different time zone to Eastern seaboard has grappled with the question of having daylight savings (+1 hr for summer). Of recent times we had 3 years of trial with the time shift +1hr then the parliament went to a referendum and would you believe it the referendum voted no to daylight savings.
I have not met anyone who voted against it yet apparently there was a majority. So we are stuck with currently sun up at 5.30 AM sun set at 7.30 PM and when ever we communicate with the rest of Oz we have a 3 hr time difference. An extra hour because they have daylight savings. Ba phooey.
The only saving grace is that evenings in the dark are warm and good for sailing. olewill
 
+1. Remember it not getting light until 0900 and still dull at 1000 in the earlier trial. Grim!
There was BST and BDST during the war, but we went smartly back to the prewar status quo as soon as possible.

Why do these people want to play God and make us get up in the dark ? If we were to set the clocks by the sun people would re-adjust.
 
+1. Remember it not getting light until 0900 and still dull at 1000 in the earlier trial. Grim!
There was BST and BDST during the war, but we went smartly back to the prewar status quo as soon as possible.

Remember BST during winter and DBST (double British summer time) during the war - it was great!
 
There is no such thing as "daylight saving". All it does is move it from one end of the day to the other!

As VicS stated "Get up earlier". :p

Fair enough if you dont work, but if your life is dictated by the hours over which you have little control, then getting up an hour early makes no difference to the amount of light left for you at the end of the day.
 
I'm a bit surprised to see any concern for/against domestic clock times on a sailing forum.
Much like farmers( I suspect) we do what we have to do when the light or tide or whatever dictate.
So what's all the stramash about? Get up and do what you have to do in order to achieve what you need.
The greenkeepers on the golfcourse outside my bedroom window start at first light, regardless of the time - annoying for me as they have quad-tractors - but they won't come on here to moan, because they do what is sensible in their environment.
I'd rather have GMT (yes, not atomic!) all year, every year.
Then, if your job requires a time shift to suit something, do it. Just move to 'winter schedule' like the ferries and goodness knows what else.
Most of you in business are probably working globally and out of phase with Tokyo and New York anyway, so what's the big fekkin issue?
 
It certainly wasn't a failure Vic. I don't anyone who disliked it and the huge support for it nows just goes to show there is even more support for it now. Why exactly do you hate it so much?

My recollection of peoples feelings is obviously different to yours.

What I disliked about it was that for quite a spell in mid winter it was not only dark when I left home in the mornings but still dark when I got to work and then it was dark or just about getting dark when I left work again in the evenings
So both journeys in the dark.

After three winters of that I was quite pleased when we returned to the GMT/BST system

At least with GMT during the winter even though it was dark by going home time a good bit of my morning journey was in daylight, in fact all of it apart from a spell in mid winter.

I do not much like getting up in the dark and even less leaving home in the dark in the mornings.

In truth makes no odds to me now. The sun is well up in the sky and shining in the bedroom window by the time I wake up! :)
 
I did meet a lock keeper once who insisted the clocks had been put back an hour in the spring. So he said my calculated departure time with the correction against the GMT tide table times was incorrect. I think he was new to the job.
Im sure many people have from time to time forgotten to make the correction to BST when looking at the tide tables.
Leaving the clocks on one setting all year would save mistakes like this.
 
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