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I was going to pose this question a few months back, but chose not to start a rag vs sail argument, especially as some people believe we regularly fall overboard.

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Hi peter , On the other hand you dont see raggies with fenders rammed in fancy "posey" wire baskets thingys strapped to pulpits . How unseaman like is that??

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Well we don't go wandering off across the deck when it's blowing a F9 and the boat is heeled over at 60degrees ;)

Seriously, I don't think there are the same issues of people falling off a mobo, they're usually inside a fairly deep cockpit of some sort.
Also no need to worry about sails and turning around or starting engines. Can be back alongside mob very quickly and without losing sight of mob much quicker than saily boat.

The opposite is also true though. I was asked by a saily chum at work why it's always mobo's he see's with life jackets on. Why? I guess because if you hit something at 30knts you're not going to have time to do a lot before the boat goes down.

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I have also wondered the same, especially as out here all NZ registered pleasure boats have to submit to a mandatory safety inspection before clearing NZ for a foreign destination and I do not recall MoBo's so clearing being required to carry a dan buoy.

Putting aside racing rule requirements, I suspect the practice of sailboats carrying them may have come about from habit because of the frequency which small yachts (say up to 45 foot) make long oceanic passages whereas it is very rare for similar sized motorboats to do so. Seems to be up around 50-60 foot here before MoBo's brave the Tasman or Pacific Ocean and I suspect might be much the same for the Atlantic crossings. It may be that a 60 foot yacht submitting to a safety inspection here may also not be required to carry a dan buoy.

Interesting question - am looking forward to the answers.

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<Also no need to worry about sails and turning around or starting engines. Can be back alongside mob very quickly and without losing sight of mob much quicker than saily boat.>

Sorry Brendan I cant agree to that....for example we had a MOB drill just outside the Sound at Plymouth with 3 crew & a very experienced Yachtmaster examiner.
We lost the buoy even after a 30/40 min search. quite scary. Conditions 2 to 3 with clean 1 foot surf.
At least with a Dan Buoy you have a chance with a flag 2mtrs above sea level and a flashing strobe.

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I'm not saying mobo's never loose sight, or start a debate on mob procedures. Saying that much easier to get back in a hurry. Just look at all the debate on scuttlebutt about what to do over past years. Turn on engine, don't turn on engine. What to do with sails.

Witho mobo, you chuck wheel over one way then the other and are back where you started in seconds. Less likely to need to do search pattern


Think the other reason is probably tradition. you buy a yacht and look around. all yachts have dan buoys, so you buy one too. you buy a mobo and look around and all other mobo's don't have danbuoys so you don't buy one either

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John

Understand your comments re ocean passages, but MOB can happen in your home waters, what do MBs do then?
Even if as Brendan suggests that you are more likely to wear a lifejacket in an MB
(which I don’t necessarily agree with) you still have a better chance if a Dan Buoy is in the water, hopefully near you. The Dan buoy should also give you some idea of drift as well.

<all NZ registered pleasure boats have to submit to a mandatory safety inspection before clearing NZ for a foreign destination>
I did'nt know that! is there also a requirment to have a passage plan as well, which we have here?

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Hi Poter

Don't know why MoBo's don't, but was just thinking that maybe it is a practice of yachts because they have historically carried them when on oceanic passages and has trickled down from that to more general yottie use on coast etc (putting aside the influence of racing rules). Small MoBo's have not historically made long oceanic crossings (apart from rare exceptions) so not the same historic driver. Just supposing, that is all.

MoBo's might be interested in that a couple of months ago a thirty something foot small gamefishing launch washed up on the coast here. It was an Australian boat that had been abandoned for some reason while fishing on the Australian coast and stayed afloat to drift right across the Tasman Sea (around 1,200 or so nm) all by itself. Perhaps MoBo's don't need any crew so they can all fall overboard?

Re yr Question, very few formal rules out here for pleasure vessels but a good practice type test will be applied in the investigation of any serious accident. So, with respect to passage plans, while there is no formal regulation specifically saying you have to have one when in NZ waters (as far as I know!) if you are involved in a serious incident causing injury or death and it was shown that you had inadequately planned then one will be found accountable in law. There are speed restrictions within certain distance of other boats and the shore (apply everywhere, even at sea), lifejackets must be carried and, of course the clearance inspection if departing to a foreign port (remembering that those are all at least 1,200 plus nm away). That inspection approximates Cat 1 with some sensible flexibility eg one does not have to have crew members that have sailed the same route before, as is a Cat 1 requirement, and other things sensible for a cruising boat such as liferaft stowage. Apart from those things the emphasis is on broad education - just the simple messages about carrying flares, etc, not the formal courses, and such things as no licence requirements or fees for VHF radios, etc.

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Hang on a minute "Mobos don`t have Danbouys"? I do! and I bet that many motorboat owners do. hands up all of you that do! :eek:)))
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