Cruise Liner Hits Yachts in Dartmouth

[[70521]]

Toilets are a disgrace and they have painted it a shocking fuschia colour. We carried on up river for a nicer ambience.

Is the beer any good?

 

[Tomaret]

The West of England Shipowners’ Mutual Insurance Association.

Oddly apposite!

Maltese flag, DNV class, RINA ISM cert. Managed by Saga Cruises of Folkestone.

Frankly, not out of the top drawer.

What’s wrong with DNV? When financing vessels in the Oil and Gas industry DNV were always acceptable to lenders putting at risk millions of dollars. What were they missing?

 

[Sticky Fingers]

.... There is an eddy on some tides causing a set to port which caught the pilot unawares.

If the pilot didn't know, he's not much of a pilot. Surely one reason for having the pilot is detailed local knowledge. Or have I missed something...?

 

[anoccasionalyachtsman]

According to my pal who lives on his boat just past the naval college, the damage was minor and limited to mast, spreaders and poss rigging. There is an eddy on some tides causing a set to port which caught the pilot unawares.

Looks like almost no wind, so those boats would have been lying to any tidal eddies if there were any. They do actually point to the fact that the ship was coming in with the tide and possibly caught out by that. No excuse though.

 

[ghostlymoron]

My pal adds that other cruise ships several times larger entered and moored with out incident in the last year.

 

[VicS]

My pal adds that other cruise ships several times larger entered and moored with out incident in the last year.

It would be interesting to know which they were.

The only cruise ships I can find with visits to Dartmouth planned during 2017 and 2018 significantly larger that Saga Pearl II ( 18627 grt) were: RSSC Explorer (55254 grt) , Europa (28890 grt) and Seabourn Ovation ( 40550 grt)., all three anchoring outside in the Castle anchorage

 

[Kukri]

What’s wrong with DNV? When financing vessels in the Oil and Gas industry DNV were always acceptable to lenders putting at risk millions of dollars. What were they missing?

I am sure DNV are splendid people. They often tell me so.

But what is wrong with the British flag and Lloyd’s Register, for a British company?

 

[scottie]

I am sure DNV are splendid people. They often tell me so.

But what is wrong with the British flag and Lloyd’s Register, for a British company?

Perhaps thats why it’s called flag of convenience

 

[Laysula]

Is the beer any good?

Expensive.

 

[langstonelayabout]

I've been on two cruises on the Saga Pearl II and have watched with admiration the maneovering skills displayed in small harbours and tight moorings. The deck officers are of high calibre and this will be a source of considerable professional dismay. The ship has a powerful bow thruster but conventional twin screws. They are able to use the paddlewheel effect of the screws to move the stern sideways remarkably well. It is unusual for them to need a tug. It does look as though they got their line wrong and were so far across the fairway that they were unable to swing the stern without fouling the yacht moorings. The ship is now considered too small (500 passengers) and will pay off next year. Her successor will be considerably larger but has been designed with access to smaller ports and harbours very much in mind. This year the Sage Pearl II was able to get into the centre of St Petersburg whilst the larger ships were confined to a distant and souless modern port.

To be fair, most of St Petersburg near the soulless cruise port is pretty soulless too. In fact most of the city seemed to consist of grey concrete soviet-era apartments.

The lucky ones will get a small ship (Silversea, Regent, Saga Pearl 2, Marco Polo) which can berth right up by the bridge. That way your rides in Russian buses are reduced.

The cruise industry seems to be erring towards 150,000+ tonne ships with climbing walls, freefall tunnels and 30 different fee-paying restaurants to remove further cash from your pockets. The small ship companies are more expensive and tend to offer these sort of destinations as attractions as the big ships can't get in there.

But this probably wouldn't have happened if the ship had azipods and not conventional screws.

 

[longjohnsilver]

We had The World in here a few years back, that’s pretty big!! Much larger than Saga Pearl.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

The earnings to the port from port dues on a cruise ship are of a different order of magnitude to earnings from yachts, so we can expect this sort of thing to continue.

As a matter of interest Minn, you being a ship person, may be able to answer this. If I was an owner, and my boat was swiped like this, could I contact an appropriate legal organisation and have the vessel impounded or at least not allowed to sail until the matter of liability was agreed?

 

[Halo]

Cruise Liners are a curse. Where they are well established the locals get to dislike them intensely as the hoards come off them , swamp the place and spend little money whilst driving away shore based visitors who spend much more per head. Has anyone been to Dubrovnik when there are more than two liners in ? There is literally no room to stand in the town. Same in Venice.
There have been documented cases of alterations to these ships systems to permit untreated effluent disposal and of using highly polluting fuel in beautiful areas such as the Sound Of Mull - the Cruise Ships are primarily profit centres for the owners.
I am not saying Saga do anything wrong but I think the massive growth in Cruise Ships has problems which need managing.
In this was I will wager the yacht moorings get moved - for the yacht owners own good of course.

 

[solent clown]

To be fair, most of St Petersburg near the soulless cruise port is pretty soulless too. In fact most of the city seemed to consist of grey concrete soviet-era apartments.

The lucky ones will get a small ship (Silversea, Regent, Saga Pearl 2, Marco Polo) which can berth right up by the bridge. That way your rides in Russian buses are reduced.

The cruise industry seems to be erring towards 150,000+ tonne ships with climbing walls, freefall tunnels and 30 different fee-paying restaurants to remove further cash from your pockets. The small ship companies are more expensive and tend to offer these sort of destinations as attractions as the big ships can't get in there.

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With you there, but I must admit when we saw the independence of the seas this week as we sailed past and spotted the massive climbing wall behind the funnel I was momentarily tempted. Those kind of cruise ships are my idea of hell.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Cruise Liners are a curse. Where they are well established the locals get to dislike them intensely as the hoards come off them , swamp the place and spend little money whilst driving away shore based visitors who spend much more per head.

Tobermory gets lots of the accursed things, and all the ones there seem to have spectacularly poorly maintained engines, judging by the smoke they chuck out.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Perhaps thats why it’s called flag of convenience

 

[westhinder]

Tobermory gets lots of the accursed things, and all the ones there seem to have spectacularly poorly maintained engines, judging by the smoke they chuck out.

I was in Tobermory with two cruise ships anchored off, their boats continuously shuttling to and fro, depositing passengers on the pontoons. I avoided going into the village as it was completely overrun.
And passengers were only allowed to board the boats after they had disinfected their hands at the dispenser placed on the pontoon. If they feel the place is contagious, why do they bother coming?

 

[Kukri]

As a matter of interest Minn, you being a ship person, may be able to answer this. If I was an owner, and my boat was swiped like this, could I contact an appropriate legal organisation and have the vessel impounded or at least not allowed to sail until the matter of liability was agreed?

The short answer is “yes”, you can arrest the ship but only until security has been arranged, not until your claim has been dealt with.

Your vessel has been damaged by another vessel and you can bring an action in rem against the ship and obtain a warrant of arrest against her.

The practical answer is that the ship’s P&I Club will promptly offer you security for your claim so that the ship can sail, and you can then bring your claim through the courts in the usual way. In fact they will offer you security before the ship is arrested and detained.

 

[Hugh Foulis]

And passengers were only allowed to board the boats after they had disinfected their hands at the dispenser placed on the pontoon. If they feel the place is contagious, why do they bother coming?

Its because a cruise liner is a closed community for long periods and any infection on board spreads like wildfire and ruins the holidays of those on the cruise and the reputation of the cruise company. Disinfection of hands has been shown to be a major contributor to infection control; if hospitals enforced it with visitors there would be many fewer outbreaks of WVV for instance. Requiring passengers to sanitise is a good way of breaking the potential infection vector and also reminds them that infection control involves everyone.

 

[[70521]]

I was in Tobermory with two cruise ships anchored off, their boats continuously shuttling to and fro, depositing passengers on the pontoons. I avoided going into the village as it was completely overrun.
And passengers were only allowed to board the boats after they had disinfected their hands at the dispenser placed on the pontoon. If they feel the place is contagious, why do they bother coming?

There is a high incidence of Norovirus on board cruise ships, sounds a very sound public health measure to me.