Crew of Quest shot dead

Twister_Ken said:
Thinking of other potential hostages, maybe this was a good outcome.

Result: no hostages to ransom
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Agreed. In fact maybe we could have armed customs house cutters stationed outside every marina in the UK gunning down every craft seen leaving. Would have the same result you applaud that no UK yachts / crew were ever taken hostage.

Boo2
 
snooks said:
Tipsyadmiral has gone to the land of the banned, everyone wave bye bye
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EDIT - Just realised I posted following after reading Snooks comment and the one post of tipsyadmiral. The ban may be due to another post that has been removed - if so sorry!!

Not sure if banning is not a bit strong.

The point he expresses if a very religious US citizen did point a gun at him in a Marina is something that might assist others to understand US attitudes better.

I was first introduced to this attitude when working in California and one of our companies accountants was a Morman. I enjoyed talking to him and exploring his views on things and respected the fact that he believed so sincerely in his religion that he worked for a year as a missionary. I was then completely staggered when as a qualified professional person and deeply religious he said he anticipated racial problems after the Rodney King police officers were aquited so he had bought an M14 (an automatic rifle)!

I later experienced similar attitudes when working in the Mid West. A lot of US citizens to not find any inconsistancy between religion and the use of guns in the context of defence. Personally I have a little more sypathy with the US attitude than I have with the turn the other cheek.

US attitudes can be difficult to understand but is best summed up by the statement it is illegal to walk down the road with a can of Miller Lite but legal to walk down the road with an Armalite!!

Whichever way you consider this sad event I am sure the 4 US citizens were well meaning and lost their lives doing what they wanted and were following their own religious convictions.

I have no sympathy for the Pirates and cannot see this situation resolved easily in this PC dominated world. If somone could produce a Pirate that had worked for years as a fisherman and then lost his livelyhood and was forced into Piracy to save his staving family I am happy to reconsider.
 
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Boo2 said:
Agreed. In fact maybe we could have armed customs house cutters stationed outside every marina in the UK gunning down every craft seen leaving. Would have the same result you applaud that no UK yachts / crew were ever taken hostage.

Boo2
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I never said anything about UK yachts , and I never said that no more yotties would be taken hostage. My point of view is that lack of success in obtaining ransom payments (for whatever reason) is a strong motivation to desist.

And I'd rather armed cutters were stationed off of Somali harbours, helping protect seamen of all nations.
 
Sailfree said:
Not sure if banning is not a bit strong.
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There were a number of posts with showed a lack of respect to the dead and their families. Not the sort of thing that will be missed to be honest.

I wasn't going to stay up all night to read their posts, so they are banned for the time being.

Sorry you feel it's a bit strong, but it was gone midnight and they were still posting. I didn't want to come into work this morning and find a thread full of rude and insensitive comments.

Seeing it was the comments of one individual, there was no reason to lock the thread, and rather than removing the thread I just deleted their posts, and the posts which they were quoted in.
 
snooks said:
There were a number of posts with showed a lack of respect to the dead and their families. Not the sort of thing that will be missed to be honest.

I wasn't going to stay up all night to read their posts, so they are banned for the time being.

Sorry you feel it's a bit strong, but it was gone midnight and they were still posting. I didn't want to come into work this morning and find a thread full of rude and insensitive comments.

Seeing it was the comments of one individual, there was no reason to lock the thread, and rather than removing the thread I just deleted their posts, and the posts which they were quoted in.
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Quite right.
 
snooks said:
There were a number of posts with showed a lack of respect to the dead and their families. Not the sort of thing that will be missed to be honest.

I wasn't going to stay up all night to read their posts, so they are banned for the time being.

Sorry you feel it's a bit strong, but it was gone midnight and they were still posting. I didn't want to come into work this morning and find a thread full of rude and insensitive comments.

Seeing it was the comments of one individual, there was no reason to lock the thread, and rather than removing the thread I just deleted their posts, and the posts which they were quoted in.
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Completely understand. I only saw the one remaining when I posted and hence my EDIT comment when I realised that there may have been more.

Keep up the good work!
 
Sailfree said:
I only saw the one remaining when I posted and hence my EDIT comment when I realised that there may have been more.
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Yep - the problem when removed posts disappear without trace instead of leaving a placeholder behind. It gets very confusing if you're not present during the process.

Pete
 
snooks said:
There were a number of posts with showed a lack of respect to the dead and their families. Not the sort of thing that will be missed to be honest.

I wasn't going to stay up all night to read their posts, so they are banned for the time being.

Sorry you feel it's a bit strong, but it was gone midnight and they were still posting. I didn't want to come into work this morning and find a thread full of rude and insensitive comments.

Seeing it was the comments of one individual, there was no reason to lock the thread, and rather than removing the thread I just deleted their posts, and the posts which they were quoted in.
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Hear Hear
 
I read a report today which said that the yacht did not cary a gun other then a flare gun. The report also stated that the two dead pirates onboard were killed by other pirates following a dispute.

If this is the case then the Americans upon hearing those shots may have at that point attempted a rescue? I don't know there are conflicting reports about what happened.

I am quite staggered at where this hijacking took place it is in a strange place, it is not an area you would expect their to be trouble.
 
snooks said:
There were a number of posts with showed a lack of respect to the dead and their families. Not the sort of thing that will be missed to be honest.

I wasn't going to stay up all night to read their posts, so they are banned for the time being.

Sorry you feel it's a bit strong, but it was gone midnight and they were still posting. I didn't want to come into work this morning and find a thread full of rude and insensitive comments.

Seeing it was the comments of one individual, there was no reason to lock the thread, and rather than removing the thread I just deleted their posts, and the posts which they were quoted in.
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His original post was a disgrace and IMO deserves a complete ban. Maybe he was rather more than tipsy.
 
Ok here we go - truth is surfacing:

Source: U.S. officials detained pirate negotiators before hostage executions
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/27/somalia.us.yacht/index.html?hpt=T2

US detained pirates before yacht shoot-out: report
http://www.banadir24.com/news/9268/us-detained-pirates-before-yacht-shoot-out-report.html

"We got information that the American hostages were killed after the U.S. navy stormed the yacht," a senior commander from the pirate lair of Garacad, in Somalia's northern self-declared state of Puntland, said. "They tried to rescue the hostages but unfortunately heavy gunfire was exchanged and they (the hostages) died as a result,”
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=somali-pirates-kill-four-on-us-yacht-2011-02-23

Original tales just didn't add up.. This sounds more likely
 
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Major Catastrophe said:
It would also help if the pirates painted 'PIRATES' along both sides of the hull so the submarine can tell them apart from the other boats that have 'INNOCENT FISHERMEN' painted on the sides.

Or maybe, just sink any old boat they come across.
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They should first board to see if their ship's papers comply with the 1982 Montego Bay Convention.
 
Old Troll

Why so harsh on the Americans and the others who do a very hard and risky job out there patroling hostile waters? In these confrontational situations **** happens.Yachts must give this area a miss for the forseeable future as they are endangering not only themselves but others who try to rescue them. Away of the coast of Noth East Africa once say 20 miles from the continental ther are no fish to speak off in these blue waters therefore they are not fishermen in the small type of craft these pirates use for their deeds. It would not be economical regarding use of fuel etc to fish far offshore even if there was a few migratory fish. Anyone in these area is easily identified as piratical and should be treated accordingly. Intercepted, detained, weapons thrown overboard and boat destroyed. Any resistance they should have to take their chances of being shot.Its time we all got realistic on dealing with the pirate problem. The pirates for example involved in the Quest capture are not rational people and their brains are gone after spending years on whacky backy, rot gut alchohol and other substances. There is nothing racist in my comments as I have many fine African friends having spent some years as a trawler Skipper working from Mogadishu to Cape Delgado at differing times of employment.
 
Old Troll said:
Why so harsh on the Americans and the others who do a very hard and risky job out there patroling hostile waters? In these confrontational situations **** happens.Yachts must give this area a miss for the forseeable future as they are endangering not only themselves but others who try to rescue them. Away of the coast of Noth East Africa once say 20 miles from the continental ther are no fish to speak off in these blue waters therefore they are not fishermen in the small type of craft these pirates use for their deeds. It would not be economical regarding use of fuel etc to fish far offshore even if there was a few migratory fish. Anyone in these area is easily identified as piratical and should be treated accordingly. Intercepted, detained, weapons thrown overboard and boat destroyed. Any resistance they should have to take their chances of being shot.Its time we all got realistic on dealing with the pirate problem. The pirates for example involved in the Quest capture are not rational people and their brains are gone after spending years on whacky backy, rot gut alchohol and other substances. There is nothing racist in my comments as I have many fine African friends having spent some years as a trawler Skipper working from Mogadishu to Cape Delgado at differing times of employment.
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I suspect that the adverse comments addressed at the USN is more to do with the reality that we have seen on several occasions that people have died at their hands in a variety of incidents and the US has tried to cover up the facts and in some cases protected the perpetrators from proper prosecution. Until the US is more honest in it's reporting of such incidents this adverse reaction will continue.

Many criticised the non agressive methods adopted by the RN with the Chandlers, but they survived. In the case of yachts there have been two more agressive reactions both which have resulted in deaths.

I agree that a proper solution is needed but that has to include the removal of the pirate shore bases, without that these raids will regretably continue.
 
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