Crane in day in Scottish yacht club - never seen it before - very interesting

yoda said:
Is that £2.5k for one day? What size crane? Seems quite expensive compared to the price we pay for the same thing in Devon. Perhaps Scotland demands a premium. Maybe others can compare with what they pay (for contract lift)?

Yoda
Click to expand...

It's a lot more expensive with a banksman not just because of the labour costs but I believe if anything goes wrong then it is the crane firm's insurers who have to cough up.
 
yoda said:
Is that £2.5k for one day? What size crane? Seems quite expensive compared to the price we pay for the same thing in Devon. Perhaps Scotland demands a premium. Maybe others can compare with what they pay (for contract lift)?

Yoda
Click to expand...

It might be because central Scotland has a huge amount of work for cranes so the market pays more. I know that Rosyth Dockyard used to( probably still do) hire a huge road crane in for certain lifts. It came with two or three artic trucks as support vehicles and boom carriers. Anyway the rate was in the region of £25k /day
 
Dipper said:
It's a lot more expensive with a banksman not just because of the labour costs but I believe if anything goes wrong then it is the crane firm's insurers who have to cough up.
Click to expand...

I know, we hire in exactly the same way with a banksman (generally known as a contract lift) because of the insurance issues. That is why I asked about crane size (looks like 100 or 120 tonne crane).

Yoda
 
yoda said:
I know, we hire in exactly the same way with a banksman (generally known as a contract lift) because of the insurance issues. That is why I asked about crane size (looks like 100 or 120 tonne crane).

Yoda
Click to expand...

Sorry. I didn't read your post fully.

We did look into contract lifts and decided it would be too expensive although it would take some of the pressure off the launch team.
 
cryan said:
It might be because central Scotland has a huge amount of work for cranes so the market pays more. I know that Rosyth Dockyard used to( probably still do) hire a huge road crane in for certain lifts. It came with two or three artic trucks as support vehicles and boom carriers. Anyway the rate was in the region of £25k /day
Click to expand...

this is them

http://www.bernardhunter.com/pages/crane_hire.html

five axle

this one?

http://www.bernardhunter.com/crane_pages/130t_crane.html
 
The old Mcgruers system was. Setup by the RN as the yard was the inshore minesweeper Base and the sheds were sized to suite them. When I wintered there they had the training patrol boats, Archer class, in on odd occasions. They were a tight fit. The whole operation was controlled by whistle signals. Drum also came out a couple of times and it was interesting seeing just how big the keel was. They used a shearing(?, the one with only one leg that is, can't remember the actual name of the thing but it was used for all mast lifts.
 
Incidentally -

the blokes in Granton use the word Junk to describe the link between the weight and the boat

all boats here are double junked for safety

never heard these words before - but then the well of my ignorance is deep

D
 
rhumlady said:
The old Mcgruers system was. Setup by the RN as the yard was the inshore minesweeper Base and the sheds were sized to suite them. When I wintered there they had the training patrol boats, Archer class, in on odd occasions. They were a tight fit. The whole operation was controlled by whistle signals. Drum also came out a couple of times and it was interesting seeing just how big the keel was. They used a shearing(?, the one with only one leg that is, can't remember the actual name of the thing but it was used for all mast lifts.
Click to expand...

There is still a little bit of the McGruer's slipway visible, on the sea side of the road where their yard was. Replaced in the 80's by a repulsive wee housing scheme, called something like "The Moorings"
 
rhumlady said:
The old Mcgruers system was. Setup by the RN as the yard was the inshore minesweeper Base and the sheds were sized to suite them. When I wintered there they had the training patrol boats, Archer class, in on odd occasions. They were a tight fit.....
Click to expand...

The sheds at Clynder and Rosneath were McGruers own sheds and I understand they were erected by them to build their yachts. McGruers did build minesweepers and other boats for the RN during both wars, so maybe McGruers erected special or new sheds to build the navy ships in; they built quite few boats, not just minesweepers for Navy. Sometimes folks also think they are seaplane sheds as there was a sea plane squadron based on the Clyde but they were moored at Rhu and the Gareloch side of the narrows. Perhaps as flying boats, McGruers were involved in repairs or even construction but that is pure speculation on my behalf. On occasion in the 1980s I remember the large mushroom anchors would get snagged and be hauled up which were from the flying boat moorings.
 
happy days at Fortrose 2009 I watched as Shafa [1] was craned in for her epic award winning voyage round the West Coast.
This year, in a few days, Shafa [2] will terrorise the West Coast.
http://www.davehighland.scot/index.php/sailing/shafa-2

shafaskywee.JPG


ProDave said:
crane-in%202014-020.JPG
Click to expand...
 
TQA said:
I am assuming that many of the pics are of the haulout?

If they are launching pics then why do so many have dirty bottoms?
Click to expand...

That's another advantage of a communal lift out; we all observe each other's boats as they come out at end of season, ' what antifoul was that then ? ' asked about virtually every boat, but especially so with strikingly good or bad examples !

Based on that real life research I'd say in general ' you get what you pay for '...
 
BlowingOldBoots said:
It's there to stop the spanner that is accidentally left some where from breaking your skull if it falls off, or the stuff on the crane that can fall off, for example, not the boat.
Click to expand...
Very much agree. I've done a lot of site work involving cranework and any safety provisions should be adhered to for good reason. Likewise, I am concerned about using an untrained amateur as a banksman.
There are a lot of dangerous practice's at club craning in days, for example one club I know of insists that the skipper is on board when the boat is lifted "for insurance reasons".
 
Last edited:
JumbleDuck said:
Very sensible move. If the boat drops the skipper will be killed and unable to make a claim.
Click to expand...

At the Corinthians they put four blokes on the yacht to lower it down into the water

you have to choose three friends to help

the alternative is for the old fellahs to climb down a slippery ladder 25 feet to the water

it is my guess, as a fully qualified risk assessment officer for the guild of sailing journalists of yester year, that letting old blokes climb up and down ladders is much more dangerous than gently lowering them in a yacht

but what do I know?

http://www.keepturningleft.co.uk/sa...-harbours-and-estuaries-of-the-forth-and-tay/
 
dylanwinter said:
At the Corinthians they put four blokes on the yacht to lower it down into the water

you have to choose three friends to help
Click to expand...

What are they doing - paying out rope through a bock and tackle? My boat is lowered around 25' into the water by a crane and I can't see any reason to have anyone on board when that happens.

the alternative is for the old fellahs to climb down a slippery ladder 25 feet to the water
Click to expand...

Or to use a dinghy.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

Top