Couple of mouse clicks ! Carbon Monoxide ....
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CX54WEK
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Signed and posted the link on a few other pages as well which might drum up some interest.
oldgit
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pretty vital bit of kit which costs pennies to buy and few moments to fit.
its other folks who pay the ultimate price because the skipper is to tight/ lazy or just trots out the usual "Nanny State" rubbish. .
its other folks who pay the ultimate price because the skipper is to tight/ lazy or just trots out the usual "Nanny State" rubbish. .
Old Crusty
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It's common sense to have one but I signed it too.
Phill
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Slight drift but my carbon monoxide alarm went off one night whilst aboard. The engines weren’t even running as we were still at the marina. Anyway it wouldn't reset so I disabled it. Next morning I took the dog out for a walk and after twenty minutes of fresh air, returned to the boat and noticed an odd smell. It turned out it was one of the batteries gassing as we were plugged in to 240V and the charger was on. It was obvious once I’d returned to the boat but hadn’t noticed it whilst aboard.
Anyway with the relatively inexpensive cost of these and smoke alarms, I can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t have one. Signed.
Anyway with the relatively inexpensive cost of these and smoke alarms, I can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t have one. Signed.
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NormanB
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I am not a fan of single issue fanatics.
The current laws protect renters of boats.
Why should this law be invoked for private owners of boats?
By the same logic all the laws pertaining to private rented houses should be applied to owner occupied houses.
This is the pernicious creeping of legislation that seeks to make everyone a criminal.
We have enough state control - let the state concentrate on doing things it should be doing and doing them well - like the NHS, Social Services, Border Agency, Justice Department, Education, Defence blah blah - because it is not doing too well with them at the moment (not a political party dig at all).
The current laws protect renters of boats.
Why should this law be invoked for private owners of boats?
By the same logic all the laws pertaining to private rented houses should be applied to owner occupied houses.
This is the pernicious creeping of legislation that seeks to make everyone a criminal.
We have enough state control - let the state concentrate on doing things it should be doing and doing them well - like the NHS, Social Services, Border Agency, Justice Department, Education, Defence blah blah - because it is not doing too well with them at the moment (not a political party dig at all).
elton
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Surely they don't need legislation to make them take basic safety measures.
Flynnbarr
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A very big +1
Why do these things only ever apply to inland craft and not those on the sea....ala BSS ?
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oldgit
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You obviously have one or maybe more devices on your boat as you feel responsible, as skipper, for those unaware of the dangers,who come aboard.
Is there not the slightest scintilla of concern for others, who may not have such an experienced chap in charge.
Others may well remember the same statements being raised regards, well just about every advance in public safety, seat belts, crash helmets, education act 1880 ? , H & S at work and not the least, the latest debate regards Folic Acid.
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No Regrets
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More than a 'couple' of clicks 
Nevertheless clicked.
It's not about 'nanny state' or interfering, it's about the victims (Kids, Dogs, Passengers and Crew) who are damaged or killed through no fault of their own.
Things like Seat belts in cars and Helmets on bicycles are pretty obvious, but CO poisoning is not, so anything that can be done to minimise this problem can only be good for everybody.
Nevertheless clicked.
It's not about 'nanny state' or interfering, it's about the victims (Kids, Dogs, Passengers and Crew) who are damaged or killed through no fault of their own.
Things like Seat belts in cars and Helmets on bicycles are pretty obvious, but CO poisoning is not, so anything that can be done to minimise this problem can only be good for everybody.
NormanB
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Maybe we should legislate against:
1. Giving sugar to children.
2. Fast Food.
3. BMIs over ‘x’
4. People clearly enjoying themselves.
1. Giving sugar to children.
2. Fast Food.
3. BMIs over ‘x’
4. People clearly enjoying themselves.
No Regrets
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I think CO poisoning is rather different.
What a strange comment? :disgust:
What a strange comment? :disgust:
NormanB
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:ambivalence:
Well with the inter web strange comments are common currency as is the push by single issue fanatics for legislating our every waking moment. Witness the radical vegans terrorising farmers and what their aims are.
Well with the inter web strange comments are common currency as is the push by single issue fanatics for legislating our every waking moment. Witness the radical vegans terrorising farmers and what their aims are.
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No Regrets
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I understand a bit of what you're saying, but CO sensors in boats!?
Surely just common sense!?
Surely just common sense!?
Momac
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I just clicked on the link and it states there are a massive 68 signatures .
I may be wrong but suspect deaths from CO on boats must be quite low . I am surprised there re not more as I have seen petrol generators being used standing on the stern of boats from time to time. The effects of CO poisoning need not necessarily be death but may be brain damage.
I may be wrong but suspect deaths from CO on boats must be quite low . I am surprised there re not more as I have seen petrol generators being used standing on the stern of boats from time to time. The effects of CO poisoning need not necessarily be death but may be brain damage.
oldgit
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One could look at it as some sort of MOT for boats...unless or course folks regard the requirement of an MOT and a driving license as the nanny state infringing on their inalienable right to to set forth among the unsuspecting public with a lethal bit of of equipment without let or hinderance.
As for the outrageous demand that we all drive on the same side of the road, a sure fire restriction of my human rights if ever there was one ?
As for the outrageous demand that we all drive on the same side of the road, a sure fire restriction of my human rights if ever there was one ?
CX54WEK
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I think some people are also forgetting that it isn't just your boat that you have to be worried about with Carbon Monoxide. You could have the best maintained boat in the world but that won't stop next doors boat killing you.
Our alarm is set off on a regular basis by the boat next door to ours in the marina whilst the owner is warming up the bloody great V8 petrol engine.
Our alarm is set off on a regular basis by the boat next door to ours in the marina whilst the owner is warming up the bloody great V8 petrol engine.
oldgit
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Admire any individual who is self sufficiant is this over regulated world, however their curious reluctance to go and live on the top of mountain somewhere to isolate themselves from the nanny state imposing these intolerable restrictions of personal liberty does curiously seem a bit muted in UK.
Perhaps we need to set aside a lawless unregulated area in the UK where these folks can dig survival shelters or boat without hinderance.
In the USA they all escape to Montana and await the Rapture .....
The Medway would be ideal according to some , or that going bit far ?
Perhaps we need to set aside a lawless unregulated area in the UK where these folks can dig survival shelters or boat without hinderance.
In the USA they all escape to Montana and await the Rapture .....
The Medway would be ideal according to some , or that going bit far ?
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Big John
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+1
I have just signed and there are only 78 signatures.I do not understand the complacency amongst the boating fraternity. For the cost of bottle wine you could save a loved ones life or your own come to that.
NormanB
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I wonder how many of the 78 signatories are boaters? Maybe within the wider boating community many have CO and Propane alarms but see that as an issue for personal responsibility rather than blunt legislation which serves - what purpose?
Currently we have speed limits in this country which a sensible percentage of drivers ignore and when a Chief Constable has the temerity to suggest that there is no ‘grace margin’ that protects a driver against prosecution - it is headlines in the national press and the subject of deep and meaningful discussion on this forum.
Legislation and Compliance are two ends of a shitty stick.
