Cost of re-engining?

Seajet

ianc1200 said:
I do want more Oomph! Fed up with not even being able to get back into the Walton Channel when the tide turn, currently an Anderson 22 with 5hp Yamaha (which is a brilliant engine IMO).

Really would like to find a Crabber already with a 2GM20, but very rare.

Stuck in France, what went wrong with your 2GM?

BTW, confirmed addict/subscriber to KTL, so appreciate the irony in almost doubling the potential spend by considering a new engine essential.
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quick, quick

seajet.... sort this man out before he leaves the devine fold of Anderson owners

Dylan
 
ianc1200 said:
I do want more Oomph! Fed up with not even being able to get back into the Walton Channel when the tide turn, currently an Anderson 22 with 5hp Yamaha (which is a brilliant engine IMO).

Why not PM Dylan, or check out his keepturningleft.co.uk website...he uses a 2.5hp short shaft on the Humber and when on the Nene near Wisbeach and easily beats the powerful tides....I know the Walton Backwaters and it runs a lot quicker on the Nene and Humber than at Walton.

Use the tides, don't fight them, time your arrival/departure to co-incide with an incomming/outgoing tide...keep out of the main chanel where the flow is strongest and you should be ok...

Check out Charles Stock's website for inspiration on how to use the tide.......and he never ever used an engine shoal-waters.moonfruit.com/

It may not be the answer you were looking for but it made me feel good for passing it on.

Cheers.
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So often the ability to punch the tide for 45 mins to get out of, say the Deben, to then catch the flood tide going south, would make a lot of difference to my two day, weekend sailing.

So much wish I could emulate the great CS, even the sort of thing Tony Smith now does in Shoal Waters, but, unfortunately I'm really a motorboater who likes to sail when the wind is in the right direction.
 
Also replaced a 1GM with a Nanni 14 (basically the same as a Beta). Easiest replacement that you can do as the footprint is virtually identical. You need to raise the engine bearers because the output coupling is lower in relation to the mounts than the Yanmar - I did mine by epoxying the appropriate thickness plywood spacer onto the existing bearers and re-drilling for the new mount screw spacings. You can re-use the shaft and depending on the ratio gearboxes you have the prop as well. My Yanmar was 3.1:1 and the Nanni comes with 2.6:1 (option) and the increase in power allows the use of the same prop. The exhaust is on the other side and is 40mm rather than 45mm so you have to step up if you are using the same water trap and pipe. The Beta is 50mm so you could have to step down, but I believe they do an outlet pipe modification to take the pipe back to the other side. The Nanni also has a 12/18mm water transfer hose so you may need a new anti syphon valve. The water intake is 18mm whereas the 1GM is 12mm so you will need a new seacock and water strainer. You can re-use the engine controls, although I changed mine for new ones and I think you might need one new cable.

As to costs, those quoted earlier are about right for the engine and the new water and exhaust bits will come to about £350. You may also consider having a flexible coupling if you don't have one already, but the bolt spacings are different on the TMP gearbox from the Yanmar. If your Yanmar is in good running order you should have no difficulty in getting £1k for it. I sold mine (with ancilliaries and prop) for £1200 and had a queue for it from just one ad in Boats and Outboards. Sell it running in the boat if you can - the new owner will probably value helping take it out to learn about where everything goes.

Definitely worth doing for a net cost of under £5k if DIY provided you are going to keep the boat long enough to get good use out of it.
 
ianc1200 said:
I can't find any price list for Beta's.
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It appears that Beta and some of their competitors discourage publication of prices (I don't know why) but they or their agents will give you a quote if you ring or email. There's usually a discount to be had at, or around the time of, boat shows.

In a recent thread about the Southampton boat show people said that Beta were offering the 14 for £3330, incl. VAT, and Nanni their very similar Nanni 14 (but with a 70a alternator upgrade) at £3,264, incl. VAT

I would have thought that a Beta 14 was unnecessarily powerful for an Anderson 22. Our Samphire 23 displaces more than twice the Anderson 22 (c2.4 tons versus c1.1 tons, it seems), and has a long keel to boot. Our Beta 14 is great, but we rarely use over 3,000 revs, which gives 10hp. For us the 14 (actually 13.3hp) is great, but 10hp would be fine. I would have thought for the lighter, more slippery Anderson 10 hp would be plenty of power. The Beta 10 is basically the same engine as the 14 but limited to 10hp, and is, IIRC, about £300 cheaper (though watch out for some things that are standard on the 14 (like sump drain pump) perhaps being extras on the 10.

p.s. Is yours the lovely green Anderson moored at Wrabness, perchance?
 
l'escargot said:
There is an article in the November YM on installing a Beta 30 which comes in just short of 10.5k. On that basis I would consider upping your estimate a bit, but if the engine you are taking out is a runner I would also reckon on selling that on for between 1k and 2k.

A general rule for a full installation is engine price doubled.
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1K to 2K for a well used 1GM10? :rolleyes:
 
LittleSister said:
It appears that Beta and some of their competitors discourage publication of prices (I don't know why) but they or their agents will give you a quote if you ring or email. There's usually a discount to be had at, or around the time of, boat shows.

In a recent thread about the Southampton boat show people said that Beta were offering the 14 for £3330, incl. VAT, and Nanni their very similar Nanni 14 (but with a 70a alternator upgrade) at £3,264, incl. VAT

I would have thought that a Beta 14 was unnecessarily powerful for an Anderson 22. Our Samphire 23 displaces more than twice the Anderson 22 (c2.4 tons versus c1.1 tons, it seems), and has a long keel to boot. Our Beta 14 is great, but we rarely use over 3,000 revs, which gives 10hp. For us the 14 (actually 13.3hp) is great, but 10hp would be fine. I would have thought for the lighter, more slippery Anderson 10 hp would be plenty of power. The Beta 10 is basically the same engine as the 14 but limited to 10hp, and is, IIRC, about £300 cheaper (though watch out for some things that are standard on the 14 (like sump drain pump) perhaps being extras on the 10.

p.s. Is yours the lovely green Anderson moored at Wrabness, perchance?
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The OP (according to his first post) is thinking of buying a Mk1 Crabber which has a 1GM, hence his question - not for his current Anderson 22 (Seajet would not permit that, the Anderson is only for "real" sailors!).

The Nanni/ Beta 14 is perfect for a Crabber. The 1GM is marginal but was fitted because it was cheap for an inboard and the next size up was then an 18hp and a lot more money. The gap in HP has now been filled by whole host of Japanese industrial engine based offerings plus Yanmar's new 15. That might be a candidate but it is physically much bigger and won't fit as well in the space of a 1GM - and is more expensive than the Nanni.
 
Bobobolinsky said:
1K to 2K for a well used 1GM10? :rolleyes:
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Always suprising what old engines in reasonable condition go for, especially common models which can drop straight in to replace a totally knackered one.

Have a look at post 23 above: "...I sold mine (with ancilliaries and prop) for £1200 and had a queue for it from just one ad in Boats and Outboards".
 
Yes, mine now does service in a GK24 replacing one of those horrid Petter Mini6. This is the third boat it has been in - all wildly different. First home was a Pandora, second my Eventide, now the Westerly. The new owner got an installation that saved him over £2k compared with buying new.
 
I replace a GM1 with a nanni 14. I had some mounting plates made which raised the hight and moved the feet centres to the correct position. I have a set of drawings if you need them.
The only slight problem was the exhaust was on the other side and the alternator was about 1 inch wider. Kept the old shaft and coupling but had a new prop.
The fitting time was about 4 hours to remove the old and bolt in the new.
 
MoodySabre said:
No it's too much. A friend just re-engined his Moody 346 with a Beta 35 and the whole job was £7k. I'd guess £4000 for the engine and another £1500 for the bits and labour.
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I would like to know where he bought a Beta 35, i am assuming it was new I have just ordered one and the price was nearer £6k I intend installing it myself this winter, I am also going to fit an Aquadrive this is replacing a V/P 2003 which is fore sale if anybody is interested.
Mike.
 
Pagetslady said:
I would like to know where he bought a Beta 35, i am assuming it was new I have just ordered one and the price was nearer £6k I intend installing it myself this winter, I am also going to fit an Aquadrive this is replacing a V/P 2003 which is fore sale if anybody is interested.
Mike.
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He bought direct from Beta and had it installed by someone who does a lot of work in Bradwell. He told me "£7k all in" - not a definitive figure. Got £800 for his old T80 engine.
 
MoodySabre said:
No it's too much. A friend just re-engined his Moody 346 with a Beta 35 and the whole job was £7k. I'd guess £4000 for the engine and another £1500 for the bits and labour.
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He did well then - the article in Novembers YM quotes £6349 for a Beta 30 and £1200 for fitting, so there is over 7.5k before you've bought any other bits.
 
dylanwinter said:
this is one of the best threads I have read for ages

really, really enjoying it.
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I should tell you my sorry tale of woe with my outboard main engine. It's a Yamaha 9.9, 12 years old now. It propels me at 5.5 knots consuming a gallon of fuel every 22 miles. Even though I replace the oil and filter every year and the impellor and plugs every few years, many years back I had to replace the fuel pump membrane for £18 as well. I was gutted. This is the sort of palava and expense you can expect with your Tohatsu over the next decade or two.
 
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