Cost and ease of reffitting internal joinery?

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I am in the process of looking at earlier (cheaper) boats and while there are quite a few mid-90's boat around which are sound, have well maintained top sides, good condition engines etc etc the fashion for a period of about 7 years was for horrid gloss white interiors which to my eyes look horrible and very un boat like.

I accept that things like bulkheads etc have to stay, and thats fine, but how feasible is it to change the white 'joinery' to a high gloss wood like cherry? Its more for the look, so can one get cabinet doors and trim made using the existing carcass (like you do when you update your kitchen at home) or should one just rip the whole lot out and start over.

In the scheme of things its a small amount of area, but would make a major difference to the feel of the boat. Madness, prohibitily expensive or worth considering?
 
I understand what you mean and dont blame you for trying to freshen things up alittle. Some woodwork and colours of fabric really do show there age after just a few short years.
I'd do it also if i had a big enough boat that had woodwork /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Is it possible to remove each panel seperately and use as a template with a solid wood panel.
Personally i wouldn't attemp to paint over with these special paints you can buy for covering old kitchen doors as it will always look cheap in my opinion and i dont think long term you'd be happy with the effect.
Like i said,try and disasemble the cabinetry carefully and use the parts as templates.You may actually be able to use new kitchen doors. Sometimes just changing door knobs/handles can make a difference. Good luck
 
Beware Jez,gark wood makes even a large ' ish boat look dark down below, you may note that lots of the new ones at the show had lots of white, and bleached oak internals, to give the look of space.

I do know a bit about joinery, and doors...............! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Jas.

www.anglia-interiors.co.uk
 
Hi, I think I didnt make myself clear. I would never paint the joinery. I would only swap all the white for new made panels out of wood such as cherry as you suggest. I just wondered how easy it is to disasemble and get the panels made.

Flat panels like doors and countertops I images would be straight forward, but there are a few bits of curved trim and edging that look like the might be more problematical.
 
Yep, I appreciat that Jas. I wouldnt mind a lighter wood like oak, I just hate an all white interior.

I dont think the Cherry that you have is too dark if used sparingly. It would just be to make the inside a bit warmer.
 
Very problematical and very expensive to make as one off's!

Paul The Fish, and I chatted about this a while ago, honestly Jez, the costs of doing the doors in say a Targa 37 would be loads if you wanted to do it properly. You could remake the panels in Parapan gloss, or indeed in timber but the curves will cause problems unless you work to standard sizes and the doors are far from standard my man.

Jas.

www.anglia-interiors.co.uk
 
Could be done but everything is non stamndard size so would need custom making. I have used this firm on a big housebuild and they can easily make what you want, in any veneer you want, and with gloss, silk or whatever varnish you want. Would be a top job, as good as the boatbuilder did, and well made using CAD and CNC cutters, with all the hinges machined into the right places. They could work from the old panels/doors and copy them. They are certianly not the only firm in this market either (and they're in oxford area, so not great for you?).

It costs, but not as much as you might think. I'd think to do a few panels and all the doors on a 35foot sports cruiser, keeping same carcasses, would be say £4k. The big walnut kitchen on their homepage (the one with the glass atrium roof right over the kitchen) is same wood and similar size (though not as nice!) as what they made for me and mine cost £22k excluding VAT and excluding appliances. Not as much as you think huh? And that's making the carcasses, solid walnut door frames etc, real walnut veneer on the doors, MDF board not chipboard throughout, all custom designed and all custom sized (no "standard" 400/500/600mm units) and all the doors properly let into the carcasses so you can see the edge of the carcass wood (not planted on the front like a mass-market kitchen, ugh). And that even included fitting!. Hence my guess is you could get a good refit for say £4k

I your idea is a damn good idea. Also if you did this and renewed the internal alcantaras and upholstery you'd have a fantastic job. Alcantara is only about £12 a metre and is easy to diy work and re-cover panels
 
Thanks JFM,

I wasnt thinking it wouold be cheap, and I was thinking 5k sounded about right. My logic is, you can get a boat with the cherry in from about 1996 but they are rare and command a big premium. The cheapest I can find currently is on for £85k and is in ok condition compared to a very tidy 1993 boat with better engines but an awful white interior for £60k.

£5k to have the bits changed seems like a better idea if it can be done

I will have a look at the link you gave me.
 
Yeah, would be happy to. But my view is, speaking candidly as a small-time customer, that there's a compelling case to go straight to the craftsman and buy from him. I'm not interested in the "modular" kitchens where everything is 3-4-5-600mm wide and standard heights, nor the style where the door is planted on the front of the carcass with those MFI style hinges. I want the doors rebated into the carcass, properly. That basically means you need custom build. If you put some fancy salesgirls in a chelsea showroom into the process it's >£50k, before appliances and stuff. If you find the joinery firm that the chelsea girls would take your order to anyway and go striaght to the proprietor and get right to the point, agree the job, sign the order no tyre kicking, you get an amazing price. Correct me if I'm wrong but I dont think a modular kitchen would have been any cheaper than mine at £22k (inc fitting, ex VAT and appliances). Here are a few photos - the first one shows about 40% of the cupbords; if the camera were to pan left there is loads more.

This is why I'm suggesting this route to Jez. On a budget of even £3k if he deals direct with the craftsmen he can get quite a lot of proper custom joinery that owuld transform a 1990s boat and make it look the biz, which is I guiess what he wants to do

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Jez, I met yesterday with John of JWS marine services (southsea) who undertakes refits of various complexity, as I need to get London Pride refurbished following the trashing it received during the univited visit of lowlifes several weeks back.

Whilst his guestimate for a comprehensive refit would be well above my budget, he tailors work to any level required.

If nothing else he seems very knowledgable and has a great reputation for refitting, my be worth a heads up call!.
023 9275 5155

No affiliation, just sourcing trades to get engines fitted and boat back in the water. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Steve
 
Jez, £5k is loads, if you go striaght to the craftsmen no middlemen

Here's another example. I'm having a copy of this staircase custom made right now (this photo is from the firm that is making mine, it's one of their previous jobs). Mine is loads bigger as I'm having two staricases, cos 3 floors, and I have much more balustrading length. I'm also having walnut treads, no carpet, and I'm having thicker sections for the newel posts and the handrails. But the basic construction is the same as this pic, with 12mm plate glass panels etc. Overall, my job is about 2x this photo. I'm going straight to a staircase specialist, no middlemen. The cost? £12,400 + VAT, fitted, including all the glass and some pretty expensive material costs (all solid walnut). So my point is, you can get loads for £5k if you go to a craftsman

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Just so long as they dont realise that 'BOAT' in the quote means they should multiply the cost by 3 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thanks for the pointers JFM. Beautiful staircase by the way, I image the rest of the house is quite spectacular.
 
Thats a nice kitched JFM, no doubting that. Its the total cost of the project that matters though, we do loads of granite / Corian, and heaps of Neff, Seimens, Miele etc, therefore the total cost usually compares favorably, but I cant argue with your costs on that particular project............looks nice!

Jas.

www.anglia-interiors.co.uk
 
We nearly went down the custom build kitchen. We didnt in the end, but my experience in looking was that you really really really need to trust your craftsman, espcially if you are going to use wood, rather than veneers. Actually, I guess on aboat you are likely to use veneered board.. so maybe its less of an issue, but prices are very tied to the colour and grain quality, and unless you are very confident in the craftsman, its a bit late to complain after he has built it to a price.
I guess I m saying that if you have a personal recomendation, I'd pay a small premium just for that. Distance shouldnt be an issue at all.
OOhh dont go all modern light wood.... looks like a Knaus. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
To give some perspective, this is the type and size of thing I am talking about. Horrible off white yuk.

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Basically, the carcass is fine, but all the yellow white joinery bits would be much nicer in wood methinks. Plus the doors and another set of lockers above the saloon.

Extra prize for a spot the boat /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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