alan_d
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They may well be prevaricating, but from the context I think you suspect them of procrastinating.
Prevaricate = be evasive, equivocate
Procrastinate = delay, postpone
Container vessel abandoned mid atlantic.
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They may well be prevaricating, but from the context I think you suspect them of procrastinating.
Prevaricate = be evasive, equivocate
Procrastinate = delay, postpone
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If my memory serves me correctly, the original value quoted for the cargo was just over $91m.
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z1ppy
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it does seem strange the complete lack of press coverage!
BBC run a video story on a bulk carrier thats run ashore in south america but dont run a story on an exploding container ship that is sat just off our waters!
BBC run a video story on a bulk carrier thats run ashore in south america but dont run a story on an exploding container ship that is sat just off our waters!
burgundyben
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This story fascinates me, I was wondering this morning if for some reason there is an injunction in place to stop the press reporting?
rbcoomer
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Absolutely agree. I was thinking the same a few weeks ago and wondered initially if it was perhaps even terrorist related and hushed up because of the Olympics. There's little I've found in other foreign news sources either however so seems unlikely...
As for the BBC, they no longer seem to have the ability to find news themselves and seem to rely heavily on the likes of the Daily Mail - due in part I think to the Mail's ownership of the 'thisis' network of local rags. If you run down the Mail's headlines today, most of them will be tomorrow's BBC news! I seriously wonder what the license fee actually pays for these days - other than the big salaries we read about of course.
This could end up as an avoidable environmental mess as well as a massive risk to other vessels and yet they've reported nothing of it that I've seen.
It seems that unless it's a tanker and a chance to have a pop at 'Big Oil' they don't see it as newsworthy?Grumpybear
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Perhaps they all believe the "it'll never be allowed to happen again" mantra droned by the government after the MSC Napoli fiasco - NuLab said it, so all their friends at the Beeb know the Flaminia simply cannot be happening??
Now there's a thing: both ships from the same line. Any other common factors?
Now there's a thing: both ships from the same line. Any other common factors?
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Habebty
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Plenty of web activity in U.S. papers and assorted press releases.
Just google MSC Flaminia.
Shame, there's nothing like a good conspiracy theory
Just google MSC Flaminia.
Shame, there's nothing like a good conspiracy theory
rbcoomer
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Priceless!
I hadn't realised they were following a similar script - all makes perfect sense now...
It's not a problem. It has been towed outside of the environment.
I hadn't realised they were following a similar script - all makes perfect sense now...
z1ppy
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Theres also plenty of activity in the industry press as well.
The difference is, there is a large % of the population that only believe what the BBC and national newspapers tell them! im just saying i am surprised that there hasnt been wider reporting of the incident.
Personally, i dont honestly believe in a conspiricy theory. MSC will know what they have been told is on that vessel. anything they have not been told about is a different story and is the same with all ships plying their trade since the development of containerisation.
one things for sure, maritime laywers are getting very very well paid now!
The difference is, there is a large % of the population that only believe what the BBC and national newspapers tell them! im just saying i am surprised that there hasnt been wider reporting of the incident.
Personally, i dont honestly believe in a conspiricy theory. MSC will know what they have been told is on that vessel. anything they have not been told about is a different story and is the same with all ships plying their trade since the development of containerisation.
one things for sure, maritime laywers are getting very very well paid now!
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that is just sitting there!
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Currently MSC Flaminia is approximately located at 50° 09'N 017° 49'W, the far west of SOLE, having been moved away from the recent Storm Force winds which have been effecting the sea area where she was in a holding pattern.
France, Belgium and Dutch have been in discussions about allowing MSC Flaminia free passage along their coastline and into Rotterdam. Although France has three Atlantic ports which can take this vessel in an emergency, including Brest, the French ecology party have been very vociferous in arguing against acceptance and it has now become a political fight between the Port Authorities and the Green Party.
There are also reports which state that the list to starboard has been corrected from 11° to 2½° and the ship is more stable with the fire under control.
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France, Belgium and Dutch have been in discussions about allowing MSC Flaminia free passage along their coastline and into Rotterdam. Although France has three Atlantic ports which can take this vessel in an emergency, including Brest, the French ecology party have been very vociferous in arguing against acceptance and it has now become a political fight between the Port Authorities and the Green Party.
There are also reports which state that the list to starboard has been corrected from 11° to 2½° and the ship is more stable with the fire under control.
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Plomong
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If that position you give is correct, she has been moved way out west again. Two weeks ago she was due south of Bantry in Ireland, about 009 W, roughly in line with the entrance to the Channel. Now she's out SW of Ireland, at nearly 018 W !!!
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Yes, you are right on all points. As I said in my previous, she was moved due to Storm Force winds over the last three or four days.
They obviously have been monitoring the track of TS Gordon, as have I, which is/was likely to have caused some concern. This TS had a track which would have taken it right up from the Azores and through the Western Approaches right through the place where they were holding station! It was then due to travel on towards the North Sea but in the last 24 hours, it has changed track and will now make landfall on the Portuguese coastline sometime Friday 24/25th, (Nostradamus has been informed).
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at3.shtml?5-daynl#contents
I am also picking up slight suggestions that they will take her back to Charleston USA from whence she came as no one in the UK or Europe will agree to take her in. So moving out to the far west is not such a bad idea long term.
Watch this space?
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I hope that she will be allowed in to a port of safe refuge soon.
I am sure that with a cargo worth 90 million at stake, her Salvors will be working very hard to keep her afloat, and ensure that the fire does not start up again (looks like it has been effectively put out?).
And by declaring General Average ALL of the owners of the cargo being shipped will have to contribute to the cost of the Salvage effort - the Average Adjusters will have their work cut out for sure, contacting possibly thousands of Owners, and working out what each Owner's share is...... but no doubt they will also receive a sizeable chunk of the salvage pie for doing so.
We were involved with a General Average salvage claim in Trinidad a few years ago - a cargo ship was carrying a shipment of very valuable oilfield drilling equipment across the Atlantic, and she broke down, and was towed into Trinidad by Smit.
All of her cargo was discharged there while the General Average was sorted out, with perhaps 20 different owners of the cargo.
Once the Owners chipped in their share of the salvage claim, the cargo was re-loaded on to another ship.
But some Owners were apparently not able (or not interested) to pay their share, and their items were left on the quayside...... I dont know what eventually happened to these items.
Extrapolate this scenario up to a big container ship, with hundreds (thousands?) of different Owners, and it all starts to look rather horrendous....
I am sure that with a cargo worth 90 million at stake, her Salvors will be working very hard to keep her afloat, and ensure that the fire does not start up again (looks like it has been effectively put out?).
And by declaring General Average ALL of the owners of the cargo being shipped will have to contribute to the cost of the Salvage effort - the Average Adjusters will have their work cut out for sure, contacting possibly thousands of Owners, and working out what each Owner's share is...... but no doubt they will also receive a sizeable chunk of the salvage pie for doing so.
We were involved with a General Average salvage claim in Trinidad a few years ago - a cargo ship was carrying a shipment of very valuable oilfield drilling equipment across the Atlantic, and she broke down, and was towed into Trinidad by Smit.
All of her cargo was discharged there while the General Average was sorted out, with perhaps 20 different owners of the cargo.
Once the Owners chipped in their share of the salvage claim, the cargo was re-loaded on to another ship.
But some Owners were apparently not able (or not interested) to pay their share, and their items were left on the quayside...... I dont know what eventually happened to these items.
Extrapolate this scenario up to a big container ship, with hundreds (thousands?) of different Owners, and it all starts to look rather horrendous....
onesea
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It still strikes me as crazy, a month on and she would of been better left to drift...
There is UK & Ireland between the two countries we must be able to offer the vessel a sheltered harbour...
Let the French look after there own Onions I just think in the long term of she goes down at sea it will cost us more in the long term.
Certainly as a cargo owner I would of thought that getting the cargo ashore would be first priority...
There is UK & Ireland between the two countries we must be able to offer the vessel a sheltered harbour...
Let the French look after there own Onions I just think in the long term of she goes down at sea it will cost us more in the long term.
Certainly as a cargo owner I would of thought that getting the cargo ashore would be first priority...
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I read in one report which crossed my desk that there are two GT40 cars onboard belonging to one customer. They were brand new!
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Latest update -
UK AND FRANCE SEND TEAM TO INSPECT STRICKEN SHIP
The United Kingdom Secretary of State’s representative for Maritime and Salvage Intervention (SOSREP) Hugh Shaw and the French Maritime authorities have decided to send a team of experts to inspect the MSC Flaminia.
To give these experts access to the ship it will be brought to a position 30 miles from the UK. This should enable the inspection team to board the vessel on Friday (subject to circumstances and weather conditions) to carry out a detailed inspection.
The team will include two internationally recognised experts specialising in marine salvage and fire fighting and a specialist fire fighting expert from the Prefecture Maritime.
The outcome of the inspection will be made available to all coastal States currently involved with the incident and will enable them to determine if there are any further requirements before the ship transits the English Channel en-route to German Territorial waters.
Hugh Shaw, SOSREP said:
"Much has been done to stabilise the ship since the accident last month. The inspection team will be able to board the ship and carry out an expert analysis and evaluation. Their report will be passed to all the coastal States along the intended route to Germany and will assist with their decision making and approval processes.”
UK AND FRANCE SEND TEAM TO INSPECT STRICKEN SHIP
The United Kingdom Secretary of State’s representative for Maritime and Salvage Intervention (SOSREP) Hugh Shaw and the French Maritime authorities have decided to send a team of experts to inspect the MSC Flaminia.
To give these experts access to the ship it will be brought to a position 30 miles from the UK. This should enable the inspection team to board the vessel on Friday (subject to circumstances and weather conditions) to carry out a detailed inspection.
The team will include two internationally recognised experts specialising in marine salvage and fire fighting and a specialist fire fighting expert from the Prefecture Maritime.
The outcome of the inspection will be made available to all coastal States currently involved with the incident and will enable them to determine if there are any further requirements before the ship transits the English Channel en-route to German Territorial waters.
Hugh Shaw, SOSREP said:
"Much has been done to stabilise the ship since the accident last month. The inspection team will be able to board the ship and carry out an expert analysis and evaluation. Their report will be passed to all the coastal States along the intended route to Germany and will assist with their decision making and approval processes.”