Considering new Princess V42

Yes Jimmy, I just responded to Paul's post. Not really my cup of tea but always interested in suggestions.
A/C and heater put on option list - looking at radar/chartplotters now. Hmmm, I should do some work in the meantime as well :)
 
Alwaysbyboat said:
Somehow I get the impression you're not a big outdrive fan - no D6 400 for you.
I just had a quick look at the Targa 47. I do prefer a new boat though. I know some used ones are very well maintained, but I prefer new.
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Why prefer new?

If you choose Princess or Fairline the aftersales is very good. We bought our Princess V48 at 2 years old and Princess have looked after us very well.

The upside of buying a 'nearly new' is that the early steep depreciation on the base boat is gone, the early snagging has been done, the cost of the extras (upgraded TV, bigger gennie etc) effectively depreciates 100% so you don't pay for them. So long as you can find one with the right base spec (hull colour, sensible upholstery colour) I can't see a downside other than the emotion of being the first owner. Personally I ascribe zero value to that, but I know other people are willing to pay quite a high premium to get it :)
 
Good job not everyone takes your view otherwise there'd be no marine industry and no used boats! Your logic seems odd though, how old is your boat now? I bet it has depreciated like everything else? Also like cars, extras make a boat attractive and sellable used so effective 100% depreciation is nonsense. Unless it makes you feel better. A highly spec'd anything is worth more and will sell quicker than the same thing with no extras, no one could argue against that could they? Anyway, each to their own.
 
All fair points. But just like I never buy a second hand car, I want to buy my boat new. It will my first motorboat, so have nothing to exchange or sell.
You are absolutely right about the depreciation, but this is a passion so my decision is not (entirely) driven by financial logic. The pleasure of choosing and spec'ing the boat exactly how I want is part of the pleasure. The smell of new upholstery, the shine,....
So I don't disagree with what you say, but I will go for a new boat with the options I like/need. This will be our boat, so I don't care too much about the potential next owner. He/she can always modify her. Pretty sure though that generator, A/C, chart plotter etc will be added, so she will be a great boat to have and maybe one day to sell....
 
emibel98 said:
Good job not everyone takes your view otherwise there'd be no marine industry and no used boats! Your logic seems odd though, how old is your boat now? I bet it has depreciated like everything else? Also like cars, extras make a boat attractive and sellable used so effective 100% depreciation is nonsense. Unless it makes you feel better. A highly spec'd anything is worth more and will sell quicker than the same thing with no extras, no one could argue against that could they? Anyway, each to their own.
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My logic isn't odd and I didn't say it had not depreciated, you made that assumption in order to make your response sound more authorative.

The boat is now 5 years old and I'm quite realistic about its value. It has depreciated of course, but a modest amount versus the depreciation I would have suffered had I bought a brand new 48ft sports boat at the time I bought the used boat. I would not be surprised if the difference was a factor of 3 or 4. That difference would likely fund my annual running costs.

Extras make a boat more attractive to a buyer? Um, probably true in an emotional way, but in practical terms it makes little difference. At any one time there are 2 or 3 boats like mine available, do you really think a buyer says to themselves "Ah, it has 20m extra anchor chain, I think I'll pay £267 more than I would have done otherwise" or perhaps they think "I was going to buy next month, but I think I'll buy next week as this boat has an upgraded TV". They only have 2 or 3 to choose between remember and the specs are often a mix (one has extra anchor chain, the other has the upgraded TV). At best I suspect the extras sway a buyer from one of the available few models of a particular boat towards another.

I think I'll continue to assume the small, yet relatively expensive, extras on new boats add nothing to the resale value after a few years and that a 2-3 year old boat will depreciate much less than a new one. If that's odd logic I'll live with it and be glad there are people who value buying new.
 
Alwaysbyboat said:
All fair points. But just like I never buy a second hand car, I want to buy my boat new. It will my first motorboat, so have nothing to exchange or sell.
You are absolutely right about the depreciation, but this is a passion so my decision is not (entirely) driven by financial logic. The pleasure of choosing and spec'ing the boat exactly how I want is part of the pleasure. The smell of new upholstery, the shine,....
So I don't disagree with what you say, but I will go for a new boat with the options I like/need. This will be our boat, so I don't care too much about the potential next owner. He/she can always modify her. Pretty sure though that generator, A/C, chart plotter etc will be added, so she will be a great boat to have and maybe one day to sell....
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Don't disagree with that, if the desire for new outweighs the additional cost, and you've got the cash, go for it :)
 
It's a nice decision. Go for it. I have read reviews on the net and it's really amazing. It is considered as the best sports yacht that combines legendary style of speed, style and agility. So I think you should go for this motorboat.
 
Edwaedon said:
It's a nice decision. Go for it. I have read reviews on the net and it's really amazing. It is considered as the best sports yacht that combines legendary style of speed, style and agility. So I think you should go for this motorboat.
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Thank you! It will indeed most likely become the V42...the more I read about it and look at it, the more I like it. Haven't really got any negative feedback so far on it (nor on the P42 to be honest), and all that have shared experiences so far were very enthusiastic.
I'm now considering all the bits that need to be added (or are nice to add) and then show the final proposal to my better half. This weekend I'll try to spend as much time as possible to read up on gear.
 
emibel98 said:
Good job not everyone takes your view otherwise there'd be no marine industry and no used boats! Your logic seems odd though, how old is your boat now? I bet it has depreciated like everything else? Also like cars, extras make a boat attractive and sellable used so effective 100% depreciation is nonsense. Unless it makes you feel better. A highly spec'd anything is worth more and will sell quicker than the same thing with no extras, no one could argue against that could they? Anyway, each to their own.
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I look after kevins engines on his v48, I also did the engine survey prior to him buying it, I can tell you at it's age now the interior still smells and looks like new, if any boat is well maintained, not just servicing but cosmetically it will retain a good part of the outlay and most importantly serve the owner very well, at 2 and bit years old when Kevin bought it, it still looked like brand new.
 
Like I said, each to their own. By the way, and I hope I don't sound authorative, but the current v42 is a stunner in my book. I saw a Grey one the other day, not mine unfortunately but it looked great. Good luck......
 
emibel98 said:
Like I said, each to their own. By the way, and I hope I don't sound authorative, but the current v42 is a stunner in my book. I saw a Grey one the other day, not mine unfortunately but it looked great. Good luck......
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The grey hull looks fabulous! And apparently it fades less than the blue gel coat.
 
Hi I don't know if you already bought the V45 but I have a Sessa C42HT (2008) and its very roomy with 2 ensuite cabins and all necessary items. We spent 2 months cruising the Aegean and was very comfortable. It uses about 3.55 L per nm (at 25kts)and drops to about 2.5L/nm at 20kts. Average consumption is about 50L /h for BOTH engines.(not each).
Hope this helps.
regards
Capt peter
 
capt peter said:
Hi I don't know if you already bought the V45 but I have a Sessa C42HT (2008) and its very roomy with 2 ensuite cabins and all necessary items. We spent 2 months cruising the Aegean and was very comfortable. It uses about 3.55 L per nm (at 25kts)and drops to about 2.5L/nm at 20kts. Average consumption is about 50L /h for BOTH engines.(not each).
Hope this helps.
regards
Capt peter
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Thank you for your note.
I haven't signed yet on the dotted line. I'm still finalising the spec list and need to do one more sea trial - the whole process is actually great fun! Can't wait to get the boat though....
Your reply is very helpful. Forgive my ignorance, but what engines do you have on the C42HT? VP D6-310? If so, are you happy with the engines?
 
Alwaysbyboat said:
Thank you for your note.
I haven't signed yet on the dotted line. I'm still finalising the spec list and need to do one more sea trial - the whole process is actually great fun! Can't wait to get the boat though....
Your reply is very helpful. Forgive my ignorance, but what engines do you have on the C42HT? VP D6-310? If so, are you happy with the engines?
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I presume you are finalising on a Princess.
If so, have they offered you a trip to the Plymouth factory?
Definitely worth a trip if you can - significantly adds to the fun of buying.
 
erik_plus8 said:
Well, my experience in the >40ft sportcruiser world is somewhat limited :o I have driven a few, but only a bit older ones and none of the alternative boats you mention.

But for us (family w two kids, 9 and 12) the V42 worked brilliantly. Absolutely enough space and the sunpad quickly became SWMBOs favourite spot... Maybe I could agree to what was mentioned earlier in the thread, that the "S-layout" in the cockpit makes the passages a bit difficult when more people are on board. At one time we were 6 adults and 5 kids and we sort of had to spread out over the boat (front sunpad, aft sunpad and one or two kids playing Nintendo in the saloon...) to make it work. But it did work, so I'm not really complaining, just giving my impression. Also, I guess moving away from this layout means >50ft territory...

The boat is *very* nice to drive, very responsive in both steering and engines. The hull works well in sub 20kn as well as +35kn. Seaworthiness was tested when we at one occasion experienced waves higher than the boat and winds >15m/s. Everything went well and stayed under control, although we only drove at displacement speeds, of course...

Also it was easy to manouver in tight areas and crowded harbours.

All of this said as my impressions of the V42. I'm afraid I can't make any comparisions to the V45 or any other of your alternatives mentioned. But we definitely had a faboulus time with the V42 :)
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In addition to the above - since you haven't signed yet ;) - I'm 180cm (6ft?) and to be able to stick my head out of the roof, I had to add a very simple, personally designed "footrest" (in search of a better word). This footrest added appr. 15cm to my vertical position and my sight line was nicely lifted above the windshield frame. I still had the steering wheel and throttles in a comfortable position so this became my favourite driving position. Without the footrest I had the frame more or less exactly in front of me... I don't know if there is an option for the V42 that does this, but if you check this on your next sea trial, you'll discover if that's something you need. Best of luck with the next steps! :)
 
Hurricane said:
I presume you are finalising on a Princess.
If so, have they offered you a trip to the Plymouth factory?
Definitely worth a trip if you can - significantly adds to the fun of buying.
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They have indeed offered to visit the factory, and I look very much forward to that trip.
Princes just ticks so many boxes for us, so 98% sure it's going to be a Princess.
 
erik_plus8 said:
In addition to the above - since you haven't signed yet ;) - I'm 180cm (6ft?) and to be able to stick my head out of the roof, I had to add a very simple, personally designed "footrest" (in search of a better word). This footrest added appr. 15cm to my vertical position and my sight line was nicely lifted above the windshield frame. I still had the steering wheel and throttles in a comfortable position so this became my favourite driving position. Without the footrest I had the frame more or less exactly in front of me... I don't know if there is an option for the V42 that does this, but if you check this on your next sea trial, you'll discover if that's something you need. Best of luck with the next steps! :)
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Thank you Erik.
Actually the driving position on the V42 was fine for me. It's only in the saloon and galley that things get more compromised. A little voice tells me that I will get fed up with that very quickly, so I should go either for the V45 or P42 from that perspective. However, the V42 is such a great boat...
 
I looked at the 42 around 2 years ago & tried to do a px deal on my Doral Elegante at the Southampton boat show, but they were unrealistic IMO. Ended up buying an Absolute 41, far superior. Go have a look at some late 2nd hand examples. Absolute back up is in my opinion now ****,so a new 43 etc is a no no, but a good used one & you will smile every day, as I do. P.s. Mine is definitely not for sale, if that tells you anything.:D
 
What is unrealistic? How much more did Absolute give you for your Doral than Princess? If you don't mind divulging? Was the absolute more or less than the Princess to start with? Also why is it far superior?
 
rubberduck said:
I looked at the 42 around 2 years ago & tried to do a px deal on my Doral Elegante at the Southampton boat show, but they were unrealistic IMO. Ended up buying an Absolute 41, far superior. Go have a look at some late 2nd hand examples. Absolute back up is in my opinion now ****,so a new 43 etc is a no no, but a good used one & you will smile every day, as I do. P.s. Mine is definitely not for sale, if that tells you anything.:D
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Just out of curiosity: what makes the Absolute superior to Princess? And what makes you say that the Absolute brand has deteriorated now? It's still a learning process for me so I'm eager to know.
 
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