Considering new Princess V42

[henryf]

I would say around a gallon per mile roughly.

We were running 435 D6 engines which were well up to the job. I wouldn't think there is much between the boats in terms of fuel. Probably more difference between individual skippers.

Engine service wasn't horrific. Had Volvo Paul from here do the last service. I can't think of anything that went wrong with the green lumpy bits in fact. I would suggest you get the Onan generator fitted if it hasn't already got one. Ours was retro fitted by Princess and transformed the usability making us totally independent. Ran nice and quiet as well.

Henry

 

[Alwaysbyboat]

Regardless of the V42, V45 or P42 making the final cut, I will fit a generator and aircon. I would have thought that the V42 would be slightly more economical, given lighter displacement (approx 2 tons difference) and the shaft versus sterndrive engines. However, 1 gallon per nm is not too bad. I would go for the 435 D6 engines on the P42 (and 370 D6 on V42).

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Regardless of the V42, V45 or P42 making the final cut, I will fit a generator and aircon. I would have thought that the V42 would be slightly more economical, given lighter displacement (approx 2 tons difference) and the shaft versus sterndrive engines. However, 1 gallon per nm is not too bad. I would go for the 435 D6 engines on the P42 (and 370 D6 on V42).

Is the 400 D6 not an option on the V42? I think you'll probably get 50% better fuel consumption on the sterndrives than the shafts, but like Henry says, the servicing costs on the shafts is sooooo much lower, it's a bit of a moot point. If I was doing my Med project again I wouldn't do it with an outdrive boat.

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[Bandit]

A friend of mine has a 6 yr old Fairline Targa 47 very well specced and mint 2 x D9 575 a lovely boat for sale.

If interested PM me

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Ps I'm currently anchored off La Garoupe in SoF in 7m of clear water that is so warm it almost not refreshing when you jump in ... anchored just behind me is a V42HT - and it looks very nice!

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[Hurricane]

Ps I'm currently anchored off La Garoupe in SoF in 7m of clear water that is so warm it almost not refreshing when you jump in ... anchored just behind me is a V42HT - and it looks very nice!

Cheers
Jimmy

And you want to give all that up????????????????

 

[Hurricane]

Regardless of the V42, V45 or P42 making the final cut, I will fit a generator and aircon. I would have thought that the V42 would be slightly more economical, given lighter displacement (approx 2 tons difference) and the shaft versus sterndrive engines. However, 1 gallon per nm is not too bad. I would go for the 435 D6 engines on the P42 (and 370 D6 on V42).

I dont think you should be making a decision on which is the most economical on fuel.
None of them are economical.
However, compare fuel to depreciation and they are all cheap to run.

Best thing is to get what you like - none of it makes sense.

I'm a flybridge man - always will be.
But I do see the attraction of sports boats

When we were cruising in the UK, we did about half of it from the flybridge and half from inside so I would still go for FB.
In the Med it's nearly always from the flybridge - there are some exceptions though!!!

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

And you want to give all that up????????????????

No, not at all - the bit I want to give up is all the ritual flagellation administered by the capitanerie, and everything that that implies. That, on it's own, undoes all the lovely stuff like today's delightful early evening swim et al.

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[Alwaysbyboat]

I agree that the purchase decision should not be based on fuel consumption numbers, but I wanted to have a rough idea so I can include that info into the process.
Are the out drives indeed so expensive to maintain ( following the recommended service intervals)? Any estimate for the 370 D6 for example on a yearly basis per engine? I guess most parts get replaced after 5-7 years on those engines?

 

[henryf]

The outdrive / shaft argument will run until the end of time. I had legs on the targa 35 and shafts on the last 3 boats. For me it's the simplicity and reliability. Providing you don't run it up the car park there isn't much to go wrong on a shaft set up. Princess seem to have really sorted the glands on the shafts, I've never had to do it but apparently there is a second "spare" seal waiting in the wings should you need it (please correct me if I'm wrong!).

On the subject of depreciation I was quite pleased with the final numbers on the P42. There was a good level of interest indicating strong demand for the model both from the UK and further away. Ultimately boats cost money but buying wisely, avoiding any nasty surprises and having a well known popular model all help oil the cogs.

You mention having a/c fitted. That has been one of the biggest revelations with our P50. It was originally spec'd as a Med / Asian boat and as such had a/c and a bigger generator. Wow, compared to the eberspacher heating we have been used to the air flow through the climate control is astounding. I always struggled a bit to get my head round the difference in price between heating and a/c but there is a lot of gear and it works well both to heat and chill. Everyone bemoans the heating element, thus far we have been delighted we will see what happens in in January

Henry

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

The outdrive / shaft argument will run until the end of time. I had legs on the targa 35 and shafts on the last 3 boats. For me it's the simplicity and reliability. Providing you don't run it up the car park there isn't much to go wrong on a shaft set up. Princess seem to have really sorted the glands on the shafts, I've never had to do it but apparently there is a second "spare" seal waiting in the wings should you need it (please correct me if I'm wrong!).

On the subject of depreciation I was quite pleased with the final numbers on the P42. There was a good level of interest indicating strong demand for the model both from the UK and further away. Ultimately boats cost money but buying wisely, avoiding any nasty surprises and having a well known popular model all help oil the cogs.

You mention having a/c fitted. That has been one of the biggest revelations with our P50. It was originally spec'd as a Med / Asian boat and as such had a/c and a bigger generator. Wow, compared to the eberspacher heating we have been used to the air flow through the climate control is astounding. I always struggled a bit to get my head round the difference in price between heating and a/c but there is a lot of gear and it works well both to heat and chill. Everyone bemoans the heating element, thus far we have been delighted we will see what happens in in January

Henry

I'm getting a bit concerned that once again on this thread I'm being forced to agree with Henry - on the shaft seals, my P42 certainly had the spare set of seals pre-emptively fitted, and I didn't have to use them (although in fairness I didn't oiwn the boat for that long).

Ah but pleasingly I can slightly disagree on the eber v aircon point though - I've got both on the T40, and in the winter the eber was definitely more effective at chucking out the heat. However I do get the point that Henry's P50 is Asia-spec and therefore has a much bigger (cat C?) aircon than my Med-spec unit, so presumably in addition to cooling more, it'll heat more as well.

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[jonnybuoy]

We bought a new V42 last year. Absolutely brilliant boat we love it (we had an aquador before). In respect of 42 vs 45 I have looked at the 45 at every boat show to see what the difference is. Without being biased it is hard to feel any extra deck space- the main difference in the galley area below which is definitely bigger. The price difference doesn't seem to warrant it IMHO. I think if I were you I would spend the extra on the winch system in the garage and put a William jet rib in ( I believe the 2012 model takes one whereas my model doesnt).

If it is your first boat I'd also go for the joystick as it is a reasonably big boat as a first boat.

Either way as others have said you won't go wrong - Swanwick guys are great to deal with and have alwayS been super helpful.

Cheers
Jon

 

[GSL]

No, not at all - the bit I want to give up is all the ritual flagellation administered by the capitanerie, and everything that that implies. That, on it's own, undoes all the lovely stuff like today's delightful early evening swim et al.

Cheers
Jimmy

Jimmy

Go down and try Sant Carles as others have suggested, you will not regret it!

Graham

 

[Alwaysbyboat]

Thank you Jon. This seems indeed to be the consensus: the V45 is a great boat but doesn't offer much more than the V42 apart from a bigger galey and saloon. Cabins are the same (or even slightly smaller on the V45), and displacement is also very similar so the V42 suffers less from windage since it's a smaller boat.
I read somewhere that the V42 is very well planted in the water.
A Williams Turbojet 285 in the garage would be the icing on the cake...
Now convincing my better half to drop the flybridge idea. If I succeed then you'll see a post with pictures on this forum. If not, well then....I'll change my profile name to save face!

 

[Alwaysbyboat]

I don't want to ruin the romance between you and Henry, but I would upgrade the generator anyway.
It's very reassuring to read the comments about the shaft drive and the spare seal.
Although there are numerous threads about shaft versus out drive, I didn't read anything negative so far regarding the out drives Princess puts on its boats. So MAB It does boil down to personal preference after all? Maybe a good stern drive witha powerful bow thruster will do the trick as well as a shaft?

 

[DaveS]

both the boats are awesome but i would suggest you must have V45 thats more sophisticated and exciting model than V42 although v45 is a bit expensive than v42 .... v45 is six seater as inv42 it is 5 seater

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[jimmy_the_builder]

Are you a human or another damned bot?

I think the clue is in the (deleted) signature.

But ... much more interestingly, today was the day of the back-to-back sea trials, wasn't it? I'm looking forward to hearing how the OP got on. Order signed??

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[Alwaysbyboat]

Indeed! I did the sea trial today - a V42 and P42 back to back. Unfortunately the V45 was not available for testing.
Both were fabulous, but it was a great occasion for me to experience the difference between the two. One is not better than the other, they're just build for different purposes.
The P42 was extremely comfortable, almost gracious. Still well planted when turning and relatively quickly on the plane. On the flybridge you hardly hear the engine.
The V42 has an impressive acceleration. She turns on a 50p coin - very impressive. The engine is quite noisy though, and I found the visibility better on the P42 (admittedly driven from the flybridge, not the lower helm). Steering is very direct, as you would expect from an outdrive.
So it was a great day and a fabulous experience. The point is now to chose between the two. Heart says V42, mind says P42.
By the way: it was fairly warm today and none of the boats had aircon. I was surprised how cool both boats were inside. Maybe drop that off the option wish list?

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Indeed! I did the sea trial today - a V42 and P42 back to back. Unfortunately the V45 was not available for testing.
Both were fabulous, but it was a great occasion for me to experience the difference between the two. One is not better than the other, they're just build for different purposes.
The P42 was extremely comfortable, almost gracious. Still well planted when turning and relatively quickly on the plane. On the flybridge you hardly hear the engine.
The V42 has an impressive acceleration. She turns on a 50p coin - very impressive. The engine is quite noisy though, and I found the visibility better on the P42 (admittedly driven from the flybridge, not the lower helm). Steering is very direct, as you would expect from an outdrive.
So it was a great day and a fabulous experience. The point is now to chose between the two. Heart says V42, mind says P42.
By the way: it was fairly warm today and none of the boats had aircon. I was surprised how cool both boats were inside. Maybe drop that off the option wish list?

Good stuff. P42 will always be quieter on the flybridge than the V42; the downside is that it feels slower. V42 is more fun to hoon around in - that for me is the main appeal of outdrives. If that's not a consideration, then it's hard to avoid the P42.

On the subject of aircon, if you're speccing your own boat (as opposed to buying a stock boat) then this'll depend on where the boat is going to end up. If you're planning for the Med, then personally I'd have the aircon factory fitted, you'll get a neater job than having it retro'd. Same goes for heating.

If you're only going to use the boat in the UK imho you don't need aircon - but you will definitely want the heating.

Any plans to go back for a test on the V45? And has the V52 been dropped from the list completely now?

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[volvopaul]

The fly 42 is truly a most beautiful boat , probably one of the best all rounder to come out of plymouths factory, I'd sat by now it must be ready or an upgrade but where would princess go with it befor it becomes too big to tag. As an entry level fly princess.

Your choice is down to personal needs, now I've never owned a true sports boat of 42ft stature, I've always had flybridges, bu I will say that this years weather has steered me into serious thinking about getting out of the wind and rain, yes it can be one by Helmont downstairs but going that makes you feel away from what driving a boat is all about.

The noise and extra maintenance costs of the v42 would certainly put me off, and I'll stress as an engineer and Volvo will hate me or this, I'll say reliability issues and extra maintenance cost with drives would need to be factored-in should you want to keep the boat more that 4 seasons, the prop and steering ram issues are not over yet.

The shaft drive 42 is super smooth with the d6435 motors and the engineering is A1, if our boating as a family or regular guests along it would still be the fly 42 for me.

What ever you do I'm sure your going to really enjoy the experience, princess and landau will certainly look after you.

But before you decide I would also look across the road at fairline.