michael_99
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Can anyone tell me where the term"Dangerous lee shore" come from. Dosn't " lee" mean "shelter from" /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
confusing nautical term
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No, the lee shore is the one you are about to be blown onto. ie the shore to your lee.
Perhaps it's the other way round in the southern hemisphere.
Perhaps it's the other way round in the southern hemisphere.
Neraida
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"lee(ward)" as in opposite to windward. If the shore is on your leeward side, it is a "lee shore"
l'escargot
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You can shelter in the lee of something i.e. behind it. Such as sheltering in the lee of an island. It is to be downwind of something and that can be safe.
A lee shore is the shore downwind of you, which means you are being blown towards it and to escape it you must head upwind. That is dangerous, especially if you are sailing.
A lee shore is the shore downwind of you, which means you are being blown towards it and to escape it you must head upwind. That is dangerous, especially if you are sailing.
michael_99
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I'm sorry, it just doesn't mane any sense. If i'm in the lee of an island, I'm said to be on the leeward side of the island, but if the wind changes, it becomes the windward side, does it not. I know that is an old term, and most old terms makes little sense. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
webcraft
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It makes perfect sense.
If you are to leeward of the island you are indeed sheltered . . . the island is on YOUR windward side. To leeward of you is the open sea. You cannot be blown ashore, and you are in sheltered water.
Now imagine a 180 degree wind shift. To leeward of you now lies the shore. You are in danger of being blown onto it. It is now a lee shore.
Is that clear now? Maybe a diagram would be better . . .
- Nick
If you are to leeward of the island you are indeed sheltered . . . the island is on YOUR windward side. To leeward of you is the open sea. You cannot be blown ashore, and you are in sheltered water.
Now imagine a 180 degree wind shift. To leeward of you now lies the shore. You are in danger of being blown onto it. It is now a lee shore.
Is that clear now? Maybe a diagram would be better . . .
- Nick
Gunfleet
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If the terminology doesn't make logical sense to you fine. The important bit is, just make sure you don't get forced onto a lee shore! Good sailing ;-)
Lakesailor
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I'm sorry, it just doesn't mane any sense. If i'm in the lee of an island, I'm said to be on the leeward side of the island, but if the wind changes, it becomes the windward side, does it not. I know that is an old term, and most old terms makes little sense. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
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Don't try to reinvent sailing. Go with it, everyone else does.
I'm sorry, it just doesn't mane any sense. If i'm in the lee of an island, I'm said to be on the leeward side of the island, but if the wind changes, it becomes the windward side, does it not. I know that is an old term, and most old terms makes little sense. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
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Don't try to reinvent sailing. Go with it, everyone else does.
l'escargot
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If you are down wind of the island you are in it's lee.
If the shore is down wind of you it is in your lee = lee shore
In your example it is windward in relation to the island but leeward in relation to you. What it is called depends on where you are. An island can be east of you or west of you - it's still the same island.
If the shore is down wind of you it is in your lee = lee shore
In your example it is windward in relation to the island but leeward in relation to you. What it is called depends on where you are. An island can be east of you or west of you - it's still the same island.
michael_99
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Try to explain all that to german or frenchman. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
So the term is in relation to the boat and not the island.
So the term is in relation to the boat and not the island.
Benbow
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Good grief!
Do you not look into the wind and say 'look, there is an aardvark to windward' or look the other way and say 'I spy a turnip to leeward'? It would be a little confusing to say 'look, there is an aardvark that has us on its leeaward side'.
And if passing between two warthogs, we may have one to windward and one to leeward. We could probably refer to them as the windward warthog and the leeward warthog. The leeward warthog would present more danger as we risk being blown onto it, so I would want to stay up towards the windward warthog. This terminology seems to be working so far.
Now, I wonder what we should call a shore on our lee side ? Hey, how about a 'lee shore'!
Do you not look into the wind and say 'look, there is an aardvark to windward' or look the other way and say 'I spy a turnip to leeward'? It would be a little confusing to say 'look, there is an aardvark that has us on its leeaward side'.
And if passing between two warthogs, we may have one to windward and one to leeward. We could probably refer to them as the windward warthog and the leeward warthog. The leeward warthog would present more danger as we risk being blown onto it, so I would want to stay up towards the windward warthog. This terminology seems to be working so far.
Now, I wonder what we should call a shore on our lee side ? Hey, how about a 'lee shore'!
michael_99
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Benbow and all you good people, you see, english is not my native tounge.
Enough of that..
Why does ice float? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Maybe I better take this one to the lounge? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Enough of that..
Why does ice float? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Maybe I better take this one to the lounge? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
l'escargot
Well-Known Member
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Try to explain all that to german or frenchman. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
So the term is in relation to the boat and not the island.
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I wouldn't try. The finer nuances of the English language are lost on them, let alone any more complicated concepts. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Basically yes.
Try to explain all that to german or frenchman. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
So the term is in relation to the boat and not the island.
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I wouldn't try. The finer nuances of the English language are lost on them, let alone any more complicated concepts. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Basically yes.
Benbow
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Why does ice float?
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Its held up by the twist of lemon, which is in turn supported by the bubbles rising from the tonic.
Why does ice float?
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Its held up by the twist of lemon, which is in turn supported by the bubbles rising from the tonic.
stormeagle
Member
The shore is under your lee. You have no shelter. Loo'ard refers to the other guy/object. Try a basic seamanship manual
stormeagle
Member
The trouble is, we are trying to explain it to an aussie!
Lakesailor
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Like North is sunny and South is not?
T_S
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On the other hand using 'Buy Ballots' law the Leeward warthog could be on the side of low pressure and the windward warthog could be on the side of high pressure.
All this of course depends on how your sails are set and what direction the actual wind is coming from!
All this of course depends on how your sails are set and what direction the actual wind is coming from!
michael_99
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A twist of lemon sound good enough to me.
Stormeagle, I'm not strictly a aussi, was born in Denmark.
Enjoying a much better weather. No winter here in Brisbane.
More lemon please. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Stormeagle, I'm not strictly a aussi, was born in Denmark.
Enjoying a much better weather. No winter here in Brisbane.
More lemon please. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
AngusMcDoon
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Do you have any confusing Danish nautical terms we should know about? Perhaps if you do you could explain them to stormeagle. He may find basic seamanship books in Danish a bit hard going.
