COLREGS

That's easy,,, the IRPCS (not Colregs please) are framed to avoid collisions. But many think they are to be used after a collision to fix blame. Tisn't so. If a collision has happened then neither skipper followed the rules. Racing rules work the other way round.
Lots of folk drive boats like they drive cars,,, "You must get out of my way, I need not get out of yours. Here is a rule that says so."
Personally I try to avoid any situation that might involve a rule.
IanW :)

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All the lastest posts are correct, its all about avoiding close quarters situations. The solent lot are excelent sailors in the same way that the bunch of kids in Tescos car park are good BMX riders, but for them play-ground (racing) rules apply, we all have a problem when we try to use the same car park (lake(solent)). I went there once to collect a new a boat and that was enough for me, I ll take my chances with the cross channel ferries thanks, at least they play by a consistent set of rules and dont just shout. (do solent boats have rudders and sheets and stuff or do they only go in one direction? is that what is meant by solent rig?)

Send me a PM and I will explain the easy way to understand the regs - ie cutting out all the crap and getting to the basics of who is stand on and what you must and must not do - its very easy.

Cheers



David

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Aha its not not hitting some thats the problem, thats easy .. its the not getting hit thats the issue. Anyway isn't it just a case of staying on the right of the ditches you're inhabiting these days?

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Ah but the ditch is much harder than the sea. No where to escape to you see. !8 tons of barge takes about 50yds to stop and with the hair pin bends and bridges that are just wider than the boat, it can get, interesting. Especially for anyone coming the other way!!

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Haydn
 
I follow my father's advice when teaching me to drive - "If it's bigger than you - give way." This is what I do, in good time so as not to cause confusion. I once held my course as "Stand on" boat as I had misjudged the appoach speed of the large container boat and thought it best not to change at the last moment, in case the other boat also did. It did but scared the sh*t out of me. I don't think that the wave from the bridge was that friendly.

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No sorry, dont think I need anymore rules. They just seem to confuse. I've read 100's colreg posts on here in the last seven years and it seems to take weeks of deliberating between loads of folk, to decide which way to go. I want the answer in five seconds. So If sumates cummin I just go the other way!! /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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Haydn
 
In July this year I related a sorry tale about being run over in the Solent by a large boat of German design which was clearly the over-taking vessel albeit we were motoring and he was sailing.

After the incident he was most apologetic and anxious to pay for the repairs to our boat. My insurer instructed me to make a claim as in his experience folk often agree to pay but are not fully cognisant of the costs of marine repairs.

To my, and my insurers dismay, we received a counter-claim last month alleging that we were responsible for the collision since we were motoring and did not give way to his call for 'water'.

At the time we received much sympathy on this forum, as we had only taken delivery of the boat the day before the shunt, but one of the posters suggested that we should not count on a successful conclusion to this episode since people interpret the Colregs as they will, and in the absence of independent witnesses will change their stories as their insurers direct.

After our return to the Hamble the previous owners of our boat were present when the negotiations about repairs and the payment thereof was being discussed. I am hopeful that their evidence will be treated as independent, but I am not holding my breath.

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Sorry to hear about your subsequent problems, but if he agreed he was the overtaking vessel, and you maintained your course then can't see how his claim is valid, as rule 13 states that overtaking vesel must keep clear and any subsequent alteration of course does not does not make the vessel overtaking a crossing vessel under the rules.
Hope you get it sorted out satisfactorily

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I have not got a clue what most of the rules are.

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Then you need to learn them!!

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I've read 100's colreg posts on here in the last seven years and it seems to take weeks of deliberating between loads of folk, to decide which way to go.

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There will be weeks of deliberating on here about anything, most of the Colregs are very clear and cannot be misinterpreted

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No sorry, dont think I need anymore rules

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There are 38 rules and you need to know them all, to say you don't need them IMHO is very irresponsible. It is not good enough making a joke of it.


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So If sumates cummin I just go the other way!!

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Which in itself can be against the law if you are the stand on vessel and can cause a collision .
Buy yourself 'A seamans guide to The Rules of the Road' by Mrgans Technical Books. This is IMO the far easiest way of learning them.


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Case in point. While'st I was reading that garbage, i could have been half a mile away!!

Dont get so bloody sanctimonious.../forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Anyway the case in question and every other near accident I've ever seen has been about folk interpreting Col regs to there own advantage.

I was once crossing Bigbury bay, no land for four or five miles. I've turned one engine off, the other is on tickover. Were doing 2.5 knots fishing.

To begin with there was a yacht about three miles back. He came closer and closer. Till in the end, he was shouting at me. Whats your course he said! I looked pussled and pointed straight ahead and said. That way! He swerved round my stern, nearly hitting it, then changed his mind and returned to his first position alongside. Then gunning his engine. (which had been running all the time. He swerved under my bows.

You see. He was so engrosed with Col regs and power giving way to sail, that he could not get his head round the fact that he was under power and actualy over taking a power boat. He could have changed course 1 or two degrees miles back. But no, he kept doggedly on till he nearly rammed me.

By the way. I probably know a few rules!!

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Haydn
 
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