Collision regs definition (high definition)

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"They're the collision reg's not the 'getting a bit close' reg's."

Agree. The Yachts could have tacked on a sixpence if they'd felt threatened, so it must have been safe or they be tacking off for extra room.

Nice shots though.

Caption: Where's your Ensign, you hooligan!
 
I would be "tacking off" just to save having to change my underpants.

Warship not displaying "Vessel Constrained by her draft" or suchlike.

Be interesting to file an MAIB just to post the resolution on here.
 
Some obvious answers - assuming you are not trying to wind people up?

1. If the warship is within the harbour limits, she is stand on vessel, and the yachts should have kept clear.

2. The anchor is 'dangling' as the warship is in confined waters and has prepared the anchor 'just in case'. Lots of other things happen on a warship 'just in case' most of them not so visible. Its standard practice when in such situations and good seamanship.

3. What fault? Can't see an issue - except that the navigator and CO of the warship would have been watching what yachts were doing very carefully! (And probably cursing them quietly as well.)

4. However, if the yachts really did get close to the warship, then should be a bit more careful. They are not stand on vessels, and there are byelaws about how close you get to a warship.

5. There are all sorts of reasons why a warship would play about in the Solent and nearby waters. Families day is just one of them.
 
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there are byelaws about how close you get to a warship.

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Can you be a bit more specific? What's the exact distance in the Solent?

Can you point to the Bylaw in question?
 
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there are byelaws about how close you get to a warship.

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Can you be a bit more specific? What's the exact distance in the Solent?

Can you point to the Bylaw in question?

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There isn't one in the Solent overall, only in the Dockyard of Portsmouth (which extends out into part of the eastern Solent):

http://www.qhmportsmouth.com/port-lntm/?action=view&id=61

The ship was probably outside of the Portsmouth Dockyard when the photo was taken - more central Solent by the looks of it.
 
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Can you point to the Bylaw in question?

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There isn't one in the Solent overall, only in the Dockyard of Portsmouth (which extends out into part of the eastern Solent):


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Yeah, the 250m is well known (and the Police launches would leave you in no doubt anyway!), we're talking about way out in the Solent - I think the Frigate went as far as the Eastern Solent.
 
I don't sail the Solent very much nowadays, but how about,

QHM Portsmouth Byelaws:

"2. No vessel when underway in the waters of the Dockyard Port outside the Harbour, shall unnecessarily approach within 400 metres of any vessel carrying the Royal or any other Standard at the Masthead."

Actually I suppose a 'Standard' isn't the same as an 'Ensign' white or otherwise.

Lots of bits about not getting close when vessels are anchored. Also the harbourmaster reserves the right to put a 400 metre exclusion zone round any vessel, but expects shapes to be shown. Having said that warships have exemptions for shapes and lights - but normally are fastidious about showing the correct ones.

Take your pick of any of the above?
 
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I don't sail the Solent very much nowadays, but how about,

QHM Portsmouth Byelaws:

"2. No vessel when underway in the waters of the Dockyard Port outside the Harbour, shall unnecessarily approach within 400 metres of any vessel carrying the Royal or any other Standard at the Masthead."

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Why does that apply in this case?
 
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I don't sail the Solent very much nowadays, but how about,

QHM Portsmouth Byelaws:

"2. No vessel when underway in the waters of the Dockyard Port outside the Harbour, shall unnecessarily approach within 400 metres of any vessel carrying the Royal or any other Standard at the Masthead."

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Why does that apply in this case?

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"...outside the harbour" the definitons are all in the regs and extend some way outside to the East etc.
 
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As I said "There isn't one in the Solent overall, only in the Dockyard of Portsmouth"

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Sorry Les, but he's a YM instructor and you're a snail. If he says there's an exclusion I think we should take him seriously and at least give him the chance to quote it.
 
For the purposes of the Act and of this Order the limits of the Dockyard Port of Portsmouth shall be as follows—
on the east and south, a line from a point on the line of mean high-water springs at Eastney Point in latitude 50º 47’ 12” north longitude 01º 01’ 47” west on a true bearing of 120º for a distance of 2.50 nautical miles to a point in latitude 50º 45’ 57” north longitude 00º 58’ 22” west, thence on a true bearing of 187 1/2º for a distance of 7.83 nautical miles to a point in latitude 50º 38’ 12” north longitude 01º 00’00” west, thence on a true bearing of 270º for a distance of 6.40 nautical miles to a point on the line of mean high-water springs in Sandown Bay in latitude 50º 38’ 12” north longitude 01º 10’ 03” west;
on the south west, the line of mean high-water springs along the eastern and northern shores of the Isle of Wight from the aforementioned point in Sandown Bay to a point at Old Castle Point in latitude 50º 45’ 56.3” north longitude 01º 16’ 28.0” west with all bays, creeks, lakes, pools and rivers as far as the tide flows between those points except that between Bembridge Point and Old St. Helen’s Church the limit of the Dockyard Port shall be the outer limit of Bembridge Harbour;
on the west, a line from the aforementioned point at Old Castle Point on a true bearing of 000º for a distance of 0.14 nautical miles to a point in latitude 50º 46’ 04.7” north longitude 01º 16’ 28.0” west, thence on a true bearing of 022º for a distance of 3.15 nautical miles to a point on the line of mean high-water springs at Hillhead in latitude 50º 48’ 59.5” north longitude 01º 14’ 35.9” west; and
on the north, the line of mean high-water springs from the aforementioned point at Hillhead to the aforementioned point at Eastney Point in latitude 50º 47’ 12” north longitude 01º 01’ 47” west with all bays, creeks, lakes, pools and rivers as far as the tide flows between those points except that in Ports Creek the north east limit of the Dockyard Port shall be the western side of the railway bridge in approximately latitude 50º 50’ 00” north longitude 01º 03’ 10” west.
 
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For the purposes of the Act and of this Order the limits of the Dockyard Port of Portsmouth shall be as follows—

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He was way to the west of that.
 
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For the purposes of the Act and of this Order the limits of the Dockyard Port of Portsmouth shall be as follows—

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He was way to the west of that.

[/ QUOTE ]Well in that case he comes under the port of Southampton authority...

I've got to go to bed - I'll look up Southampton Port Regulations tomorrow if you really want.
 
Admiralty chart 5600.3 refers

Portsmouth port limit from centre Hayling Island to the nab

to East cowes where Southampton takes over.


To all others

As a visitor to the area it amazes me that the locals cant agree on a simple fact

Is there any situation where any boat under sail or power sub 20 m should stand on in front of a Frigate . /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Can't believe I'm posting on this but yes, there certainly are situations when a small vessel should stand on in front of a warship - being overtaken for one.

A large grey shape steamed directly up behind me in the Sound of Mull a few years ago making me decidedly nervous but altering course would probably have been the most dangerous thing I could have done. I stood on and they slowed down, turned to port and came out on the flying bridge to give me a cheery wave as they passed.

Gave me a warm fuzzy feeling about the senior sevice - after my heart rate had dropped below 200 again. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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