Collision at gillkicker point last night.

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I was happily fishing at gillkicker when a boat went past me and shortly after it T boned a steel trawler that was on way back to the camber dock. I just don’t understand how a boat does not see a steel trawler. It was about 23:00 and dark but a very clear night.
luckily no injury’s and both boats made it back to there berths . I can only assume that the GRP boat is in a real mess . It looked like it’s was doing 12-15knots . It does make me think how vulnerable I can be at anchor in that area as there is a lot of boat trafffic.
 
Jamie, I hope that you were displaying your red over white lights to indicate that you were fishing?
Or at least an anchor light?
How big is your boat?
If it is not a small open boat, it might be worthwhile having an AIS transmitter telling other vessels that you are a fishing boat?
 
Bajansailor said:
Jamie, I hope that you were displaying your red over white lights to indicate that you were fishing?
Or at least an anchor light?
How big is your boat?
If it is not a small open boat, it might be worthwhile having an AIS transmitter telling other vessels that you are a fishing boat?
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I was displaying all the correct lights for the activity I was doing . But to be clear I was not the boat involved I just witnessed the collision. But one thing would say is that gillkicker is a place to keep your eyes open as you never know what will happen.
 
Apologies Jamie, I was not doubting that you were correct at all, I'm sorry if that is how it came across.

I know what you mean re Gilkicker (the Solent was my stomping ground many years ago) and you certainly do need to have eyes wide open and senses alert.
 
alternative to expensive transponder-------powerful decklight-------put it on if worried about any approaching boats
 
Just thinking about the lighting background if heading east back to Portsmouth from the central Solent. Lots of onshore lights at Southsea would easily hide nav lights, extreme caution needed there I would say. Many years ago I did the trip west from Portsmouth toward central Solent for my RYA exam and I recall that the lights at Fawley made it very difficult to identify navigation buoys.
 
Robih said:
Just thinking about the lighting background if heading east back to Portsmouth from the central Solent. Lots of onshore lights at Southsea would easily hide nav lights, extreme caution needed there I would say. Many years ago I did the trip west from Portsmouth toward central Solent for my RYA exam and I recall that the lights at Fawley made it very difficult to identify navigation buoys.
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Coming in from the forts is worse if the new Aircraft Carrier lights are on - you can no longer distinguish light colours in the vicinity.
 
How safe are you at anchor when fishing?

This gives you an idea:

If I were anchored in a place where boats could be found 'on passage', I would be very worried about every boat heading in my direction whether it be a fast Mobo, a sailing boat or a commercial vessel. They are all quite capable of not looking where they are going.
 
CLB said:
How safe are you at anchor when fishing?

This gives you an idea:

If I were anchored in a place where boats could be found 'on passage', I would be very worried about every boat heading in my direction whether it be a fast Mobo, a sailing boat or a commercial vessel. They are all quite capable of not looking where they are going.
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The driver of that boat is no longer a danger to others now..

Prosecutors drop charges in boat crash after suspect dies in Roseburg
 
Bajansailor said:
Jamie, I hope that you were displaying your red over white lights to indicate that you were fishing?
Or at least an anchor light?
How big is your boat?
If it is not a small open boat, it might be worthwhile having an AIS transmitter telling other vessels that you are a fishing boat?
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If rod & line fishing, shouldn't have red over white up
 
jointventureII said:
If rod & line fishing, shouldn't have red over white up
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I am intrigued by this assertion Joint venture - what lights in your opinion should one be displaying when rod and line fishing?

The Regulations do appear to suggest that you should display a red over white.
COLREGs course - A vessel engaged in fishing, other than trawling with outlying gear extending more than 150 m when not making way through the water - lights

You don't have to worry about the white light re the outlying gear, as I doubt that your rod fishing line bait is more than 150 metres away from the boat.
 
I think if my understanding of the Colregs is right, the question of whether to display 'fishing' lights / marks depends on whether the fishing activity results in restrictions in its ability to manoeuvre. If yes then 'fishing' related requirements apply. If not, then no.

Rule 3d.
The term “vessel engaged in fishing” means any vessel fishing with nets, lines, trawls or other fishing apparatus which restrict manoeuvrability, but does not include a vessel fishing with trolling lines or other fishing apparatus which do not restrict manoeuvrability.
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Ah ok, thanks for that clarification - all of the fishing boats here show red over white at night when they are offshore, but they are certainly not fishing at night.
They just do this because it then gives them right of way over most other craft.

It would make sense (to me at least) though to have a red over white displayed, even if you are just bottom fishing with a rod and line.
 
Robih said:
Just thinking about the lighting background if heading east back to Portsmouth from the central Solent. Lots of onshore lights at Southsea would easily hide nav lights
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st599 said:
Coming in from the forts is worse if the new Aircraft Carrier lights are on - you can no longer distinguish light colours in the vicinity.
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In such situations one should be looking for the dark silhouettes of vessels/buoys, etc. instead of (or rather as well as) individual nav lights.
 
Bajansailor said:
Ah ok, thanks for that clarification - all of the fishing boats here show red over white at night when they are offshore, but they are certainly not fishing at night.
They just do this because it then gives them right of way over most other craft.

It would make sense (to me at least) though to have a red over white displayed, even if you are just bottom fishing with a rod and line.
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Yeah as above, thanks Scala.

Sorry I didn't mean to be pedantic but I had it drilled into me during officer oral exam preparation last year!
 
Bajansailor said:
Ah ok, thanks for that clarification - all of the fishing boats here show red over white at night when they are offshore, but they are certainly not fishing at night.
They just do this because it then gives them right of way over most other craft.

It would make sense (to me at least) though to have a red over white displayed, even if you are just bottom fishing with a rod and line.
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Showing the incorrect lights does not make you/them the stand on vessel!

That status is given by 'fishing' as defined in the ColRegs, not by incorrectly showing the lights of a 'fishing' vessel.
 
jointventureII said:
Yeah as above, thanks Scala.

Sorry I didn't mean to be pedantic but I had it drilled into me during officer oral exam preparation last year!
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LittleSister said:
Showing the incorrect lights does not make you/them the stand on vessel!

That status is given by 'fishing' as defined in the ColRegs, not by incorrectly showing the lights of a 'fishing' vessel.
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Pedantic is good as far as trhe technical interpretation is concerned. Quite right.
 
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