Casey
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Re: Crashed Forum
I thought that you had the hiccups!!
I thought that you had the hiccups!!
Coelan... again...
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Kristal
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Forum problems
I was going to swear faithfully that I'd taken your point!!
I had a similar thing happen, but an act of divine intervention called me away urgently mid-post, and when I got back the forum had died - hence a lack of response.
Just as an interesting point, the discussion about Coelan was also held in my local nautical boozer recently, and an interesting suggestion was a concoction of 50% Oetrol and 50% kerosene - apparently, the consistency ensures a flat surface without brush strokes, and once in place, the kerosene evaporates away leaving a glass-like surface.
Anyone ever tried this approach?
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I was going to swear faithfully that I'd taken your point!!
I had a similar thing happen, but an act of divine intervention called me away urgently mid-post, and when I got back the forum had died - hence a lack of response.
Just as an interesting point, the discussion about Coelan was also held in my local nautical boozer recently, and an interesting suggestion was a concoction of 50% Oetrol and 50% kerosene - apparently, the consistency ensures a flat surface without brush strokes, and once in place, the kerosene evaporates away leaving a glass-like surface.
Anyone ever tried this approach?
/<
Santana379
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Re: Crashed Forum
I don't think matters are resolved yet.
Twice I've seen posts subsequent to my first one entitled "crashed forum" appear on the YBW Forums Index as the latest post, the second being /<rystal's of a couple of hours ago, but when I look in the thread they simply aren't there.
Can anyone else see them?
Francis Fletcher
I don't think matters are resolved yet.
Twice I've seen posts subsequent to my first one entitled "crashed forum" appear on the YBW Forums Index as the latest post, the second being /<rystal's of a couple of hours ago, but when I look in the thread they simply aren't there.
Can anyone else see them?
Francis Fletcher
Santana379
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Re: Crashed Forum
And now I've sent my previous post, the other two have miraculously appeared!
The technology always beats me. I have a rotary echo sounder on the boat, because I haven't gone digital yet. lead line is of course the best analogue method.
Best lead line memory is of cutting the corner back into Brightlingsea after 2003's OGA East Coast race (more of a drift than a race). I was crewing Mirelle, whose Echo Sounder has two minor problems - 1) It could tell the water temperature, but not the depth, and 2) it is in cupboard down below so can't be read from the cockpit in any event.
We needed to cut the corner to avoid running the engine too much (the long way involved tacking uptide in virtually no wind), as it was filling the saloon with what Mirelle's young helm called pollution, and what I called smoke.
Mirelle's skipper stood on the foredeck, taking soundings very professionally and calling them out clearly - "by the mark....". It was most satisfying squeezing over the spit the old fashioned way.
Francis Fletcher
And now I've sent my previous post, the other two have miraculously appeared!
The technology always beats me. I have a rotary echo sounder on the boat, because I haven't gone digital yet. lead line is of course the best analogue method.
Best lead line memory is of cutting the corner back into Brightlingsea after 2003's OGA East Coast race (more of a drift than a race). I was crewing Mirelle, whose Echo Sounder has two minor problems - 1) It could tell the water temperature, but not the depth, and 2) it is in cupboard down below so can't be read from the cockpit in any event.
We needed to cut the corner to avoid running the engine too much (the long way involved tacking uptide in virtually no wind), as it was filling the saloon with what Mirelle's young helm called pollution, and what I called smoke.
Mirelle's skipper stood on the foredeck, taking soundings very professionally and calling them out clearly - "by the mark....". It was most satisfying squeezing over the spit the old fashioned way.
Francis Fletcher
Kristal
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Re: Crashed Forum
Hmmm... I have just actually seen one post miraculously appear out of nowhere. So no, I don't think it's just you. I need a lead line - can you still get them, with a little concave bit for the tallow to go in?
Hmmm... I have just actually seen one post miraculously appear out of nowhere. So no, I don't think it's just you. I need a lead line - can you still get them, with a little concave bit for the tallow to go in?
Kristal
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Santana379
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Re: Lead Line
My, isn't this thread weaving about.
Recently purchased a proper lead weight & line from the very nice people at Seamark Nunn in Trimley, near Felixstowe, for Nancy Blackett, for a very reasonable £12.15. I always go into the shop, but they run an efficient website for ordering online. I don't suppose lead is the best thing to send through the post, but it would still be cheaper than Davy, who do the weight only for I think circa £18.
Francis Fletcher
My, isn't this thread weaving about.
Recently purchased a proper lead weight & line from the very nice people at Seamark Nunn in Trimley, near Felixstowe, for Nancy Blackett, for a very reasonable £12.15. I always go into the shop, but they run an efficient website for ordering online. I don't suppose lead is the best thing to send through the post, but it would still be cheaper than Davy, who do the weight only for I think circa £18.
Francis Fletcher
ianwright
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Re: Lead Line
Being downright mean I found that scrap lead from my local gun club melted in a kettle and poured into a mould consisting of a 3X3 fence post with a hole bored in the end grain about 8ins deep worked fine. As did a cruder weight made from rolled up roofing lead. But the point that all boats should have one is well made. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
IanW
Being downright mean I found that scrap lead from my local gun club melted in a kettle and poured into a mould consisting of a 3X3 fence post with a hole bored in the end grain about 8ins deep worked fine. As did a cruder weight made from rolled up roofing lead. But the point that all boats should have one is well made. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
IanW
Mirelle
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Re: Lead Line - weight and markings
"Officially" a lead should weigh 7 lbs, with a 20 fathom line.
This is pretty heavy; the line needs to be not less than 8mm diameter or it will cut your hands. I have one such, and I confess to enjoying showing off with it, but I reckon that for most yottin' purposes a 3lb lead with a smaller diameter line does better - traditionally the advice was that such small leads should not have a cavity for tallow at the bottom but should be torpedo shaped to sink quicker.
There are "official" metric lead line marks but since I cannot remember them my lead line is marked with the standard fathoms markings - leather, blue serge, red bunting and white calico!
"Officially" a lead should weigh 7 lbs, with a 20 fathom line.
This is pretty heavy; the line needs to be not less than 8mm diameter or it will cut your hands. I have one such, and I confess to enjoying showing off with it, but I reckon that for most yottin' purposes a 3lb lead with a smaller diameter line does better - traditionally the advice was that such small leads should not have a cavity for tallow at the bottom but should be torpedo shaped to sink quicker.
There are "official" metric lead line marks but since I cannot remember them my lead line is marked with the standard fathoms markings - leather, blue serge, red bunting and white calico!
Kristal
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That\'s all very well, but...
...how do you use one? I confess I've never done it, never seen it done, only every read about it in Great Northern, and know in my heart I really ought to be able to do it.
I know there's no substitute for experience, but how about a quick written explanation? I've always imagined it requires some kind of pendulum action, but can't figure out how to get an accurate reading when the boat is moving through the water.
Come on, Mirelle/Francis Fletcher/other traditionalists. I'm going to order one, and then I'll have no excuse for an unladylike display of bottom at Faversham any more...
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...how do you use one? I confess I've never done it, never seen it done, only every read about it in Great Northern, and know in my heart I really ought to be able to do it.
I know there's no substitute for experience, but how about a quick written explanation? I've always imagined it requires some kind of pendulum action, but can't figure out how to get an accurate reading when the boat is moving through the water.
Come on, Mirelle/Francis Fletcher/other traditionalists. I'm going to order one, and then I'll have no excuse for an unladylike display of bottom at Faversham any more...
/<
Santana379
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Re: That\'s all very well, but...
Mirelle's your man - can I say that?
Francis Fletcher
Mirelle's your man - can I say that?
Francis Fletcher
Mirelle
N/A
Ahem!
There is a book which contains the line...
"Andrew swung the lead like a professional..." which, considering it was written by a former military man, is distinctly double edged!
Stand in the chains, or if your boat lacks channels, hook your less useful arm round a shroud (eg, if right handed, stand to starboard) and lean outboard, holding the line in your more useful hand with about four feet between your hand and the lead. At low speed, in shallow water, a pendulum motion will do; at higher speeds or in deeper water whirl it round over your head to gain momentum. Do not hit the boat, or the rigging, whilst doing this...
...and be very sure that
- the coil is free to run
- the end is belayed, and
- you are not standing in the bight.
Let the line run through your fingers; you will immediately know when the lead hits the bottom because the line stops running. Give it a gentle tug to be sure, take the reading as the line is vertical, and haul in hand over hand quickly, then repeat.
Having noted the depth, inform the helmsman of it using the orthodox terminology, which you will indeed find in the works of A. Ransome.
Well, how many other thousand year old skills can you master and show off so easily?
There is a book which contains the line...
"Andrew swung the lead like a professional..." which, considering it was written by a former military man, is distinctly double edged!
Stand in the chains, or if your boat lacks channels, hook your less useful arm round a shroud (eg, if right handed, stand to starboard) and lean outboard, holding the line in your more useful hand with about four feet between your hand and the lead. At low speed, in shallow water, a pendulum motion will do; at higher speeds or in deeper water whirl it round over your head to gain momentum. Do not hit the boat, or the rigging, whilst doing this...
...and be very sure that
- the coil is free to run
- the end is belayed, and
- you are not standing in the bight.
Let the line run through your fingers; you will immediately know when the lead hits the bottom because the line stops running. Give it a gentle tug to be sure, take the reading as the line is vertical, and haul in hand over hand quickly, then repeat.
Having noted the depth, inform the helmsman of it using the orthodox terminology, which you will indeed find in the works of A. Ransome.
Well, how many other thousand year old skills can you master and show off so easily?
Kristal
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Re: Ahem!
I suspect I know which former military man we are talking about, and who Andrew is, and so shall take this instruction as the authoritative word on the subject - and Francis_Fletcher, are we in the Trust still of the opinion that I prefer bumkins to figureheads?! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I suspect I know which former military man we are talking about, and who Andrew is, and so shall take this instruction as the authoritative word on the subject - and Francis_Fletcher, are we in the Trust still of the opinion that I prefer bumkins to figureheads?! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Santana379
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Re: Ahem!
When getting one's photo taken for a nude study, its always better to use a photographer who isn't a threat.
That probably reads a bit like an Eric Cantona "Seagulls" comment to 99.9% of readers, but /<ristal will understand.
I trust the mooring technique has been honed, and that the picking up of buoys is now second nature.
Francis Fletcher
PS This sort of rubbish usually appears in YM's Scuttlebutt, and not this more sophisticated and erudite forum.
When getting one's photo taken for a nude study, its always better to use a photographer who isn't a threat.
That probably reads a bit like an Eric Cantona "Seagulls" comment to 99.9% of readers, but /<ristal will understand.
I trust the mooring technique has been honed, and that the picking up of buoys is now second nature.
Francis Fletcher
PS This sort of rubbish usually appears in YM's Scuttlebutt, and not this more sophisticated and erudite forum.
Kristal
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Modesty
Actually, I beg to differ, FF - that statement (which of course makes perfect sense to me) is awfully close to one made by Uffa Fox in Sailing, Seamanship & Yacfht Design. It is on the page before Crystal's chapter, p.116, but I cannot remember the name of the illustrious vessel, or voyage concerned... but it doesn't matter...
There is a photograph of Uffa, starkers at the prow (sprit to sprit), which is captioned "Modesty is only a sense of one's own physical imperfection". There are other pictures of offshore nakedness scattered about the book.
Quite what that has to do with Sailing, Seamanship, or Yacht Design is quite beyond me, but it seems modesty isn't something Mr Fox is in any position to comment upon...
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Actually, I beg to differ, FF - that statement (which of course makes perfect sense to me) is awfully close to one made by Uffa Fox in Sailing, Seamanship & Yacfht Design. It is on the page before Crystal's chapter, p.116, but I cannot remember the name of the illustrious vessel, or voyage concerned... but it doesn't matter...
There is a photograph of Uffa, starkers at the prow (sprit to sprit), which is captioned "Modesty is only a sense of one's own physical imperfection". There are other pictures of offshore nakedness scattered about the book.
Quite what that has to do with Sailing, Seamanship, or Yacht Design is quite beyond me, but it seems modesty isn't something Mr Fox is in any position to comment upon...
/<
ashanta
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Re: Ahem!
Francis,
This has been the best thread that I have read on the Classsic forum.
I do not have any idea of who you are but i could'n't help reading your posts with an Irish accent. Please don't be offended if this is not a nice comment. I am myself from Irish stock.
Anyway, who cares as long as were happy? It was a very good post!
Reagrds.
peter.
Francis,
This has been the best thread that I have read on the Classsic forum.
I do not have any idea of who you are but i could'n't help reading your posts with an Irish accent. Please don't be offended if this is not a nice comment. I am myself from Irish stock.
Anyway, who cares as long as were happy? It was a very good post!
Reagrds.
peter.
Kristal
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Re: Ahem!
For someone who I know would be sure not to have any "waggles in his wake", FF and those of us contributing to this thread have steered one hell of a peculiar course through thirty or so posts.
A deviation problem, perhaps?
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For someone who I know would be sure not to have any "waggles in his wake", FF and those of us contributing to this thread have steered one hell of a peculiar course through thirty or so posts.
A deviation problem, perhaps?
/<
Santana379
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Re: Read it with an Irish Accent
Why thank you!
We do, as you may have gathered, know each other. Mirelle and Ian Wright are East Coast classic boat sailors of much experience and high repute, who do things properly, and Kristal and I would like to be. Three of the four of us have beautiful boats, and I have a Maurice Griffiths.
You can read of an upcoming duel between Mirelle and Kristal in another recent thread entitled "Greetings pop-pickers! Mirelle".
The obscure and confusing deviation into nudity has its roots in a highly amusing tale from Kristal's relatively recent schooldays. He made the mistake of telling a group of us in a Woodbridge pub one evening, and was teased unmercifully thereafter - some of the others gave up after a while but I was certainly didn't, and never will, let up. If you ask him nicely he may tell you in his own words - otherwise I might have to.
Three of us are also linked by an involvement with the Nancy Blackett Trust, which runs Arthur Ransome's old boat, a 1931 Hillyard 7 tonner that features, nay stars, in his book "We Didn't Mean to go to Sea". Another link is that CB's Contributing Editor Peter Willis, who is both highly nautical and highly literary, is responsible for having formed the Trust, and now runs it.
With Kristal's tale to come, this thread is not over yet!
Francis Fletcher
PS I too have Irish blood.
Why thank you!
We do, as you may have gathered, know each other. Mirelle and Ian Wright are East Coast classic boat sailors of much experience and high repute, who do things properly, and Kristal and I would like to be. Three of the four of us have beautiful boats, and I have a Maurice Griffiths.
You can read of an upcoming duel between Mirelle and Kristal in another recent thread entitled "Greetings pop-pickers! Mirelle".
The obscure and confusing deviation into nudity has its roots in a highly amusing tale from Kristal's relatively recent schooldays. He made the mistake of telling a group of us in a Woodbridge pub one evening, and was teased unmercifully thereafter - some of the others gave up after a while but I was certainly didn't, and never will, let up. If you ask him nicely he may tell you in his own words - otherwise I might have to.
Three of us are also linked by an involvement with the Nancy Blackett Trust, which runs Arthur Ransome's old boat, a 1931 Hillyard 7 tonner that features, nay stars, in his book "We Didn't Mean to go to Sea". Another link is that CB's Contributing Editor Peter Willis, who is both highly nautical and highly literary, is responsible for having formed the Trust, and now runs it.
With Kristal's tale to come, this thread is not over yet!
Francis Fletcher
PS I too have Irish blood.
Santana379
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Re: Ahem!
I am very worried /<rystal, that Ashanta's bedtime is after 02.27hrs, and yours is after 03.45hrs. I can only conclude that you are in a different time zone, or that neither of you have jobs to get up for in the morning. Being sensible, I went to bed early, and am now typing this at my office desk.
I note /<rystal, that you give your location as "locked up for aggravated arson". How on earth does one aggravate arson - by using a blow-torch instead of a match perhaps? Perhaps you're locked up in a different time zone.
Speaking of such matters, I noticed in the papers that a young lad went back to Woodbridge School with a home made napalm bomb after half term - made out of an enthusiasm for chemistry from information on the web, and not out of a desire to wreak havoc. They had to evacuate classrooms and get the bomb squad in from Colchester. Most jolly, or it would be if my daughter wasn't starting there in the Autumn!
Francis Fletcher
I am very worried /<rystal, that Ashanta's bedtime is after 02.27hrs, and yours is after 03.45hrs. I can only conclude that you are in a different time zone, or that neither of you have jobs to get up for in the morning. Being sensible, I went to bed early, and am now typing this at my office desk.
I note /<rystal, that you give your location as "locked up for aggravated arson". How on earth does one aggravate arson - by using a blow-torch instead of a match perhaps? Perhaps you're locked up in a different time zone.
Speaking of such matters, I noticed in the papers that a young lad went back to Woodbridge School with a home made napalm bomb after half term - made out of an enthusiasm for chemistry from information on the web, and not out of a desire to wreak havoc. They had to evacuate classrooms and get the bomb squad in from Colchester. Most jolly, or it would be if my daughter wasn't starting there in the Autumn!
Francis Fletcher
Mirelle
N/A
Deviation
Allow me to recommend Seath Instruments, of Lowestoft, who straightened out Mirelle's deviation problem (caused by her idiot owner installing a vertical iron bar, by way of a gear linkage for her ancient engine, adjacent to the compass) very sucessfully, such that we now have a maximum of 2 degrees of deviation on any heading. £165 very well spent.
Allow me to recommend Seath Instruments, of Lowestoft, who straightened out Mirelle's deviation problem (caused by her idiot owner installing a vertical iron bar, by way of a gear linkage for her ancient engine, adjacent to the compass) very sucessfully, such that we now have a maximum of 2 degrees of deviation on any heading. £165 very well spent.
