Clyde Estuary - Leisure Vessel Charge for Use

[Moderator]

One for FAT.

Every little bit of publicity to counter the draconian proposals from Peel Ports will support the recreational sailing community.
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[Aja]

One for FAT.

Every little bit of publicity to counter the draconian proposals from Peel Ports will support the recreational sailing community.
T

FAT?

 

[Pinnacle]

FAT?

Forum Admin Team.

 

[cpedw]

An MSP has started a petition against the conservancy fee proposal. I urge you to sign up.

 

[Seven Spades]

That article on the BBC about Minehead seems to be muddled thinking. It seems that they would rather the club closed and they collected no revenue than agree a concessionary rate.

 

[Aja]

An MSP has started a petition against the conservancy fee proposal. I urge you to sign up.

Beginning to look like Peel Ports really has the power to raise money through a Conservancy fee.

Government and all it's quangos are incapable of doing anything other than appealing to boaters to start a petition.

It's not looking good.

 

[RunAgroundHard]

There is no “beginning” to it, they always have had that power. The government needs to raise an HRO to modify the clause.

The surprising thing is that they have not implemented the requirement.

 

[Bodach na mara]

Both Harbour Orders give the operating authority power to charge "vessels" for use of the facilities provided. "Conservancy" must not be confused with "conservation" and refers to the provision and maintenance of these facilities such as a channel dredging to a specified minimum depth, aids to navigation, provision of pilotage, wharves, lighterage, cranage etc. Vessels which don't require such installations and get no benefit from them are not required to pay. There is a clause in the HOs that states that. In Scotland we don't expect to pay unless there is a demonstrable benefit. Being a foreign company, maybe they don't understand that.

Peel Ports are property developers, who developed from their original activity of buying redundant mills, waiting till they were derelict, knocking them down and selling the land for housing at a considerable profit. They were originally named Peel Mills. By the way the "Peel" has nothing to do with the port on the Isle of Mann.

The company has been exposed as unsuitable to be Conservators. They behave as they started. In Clydeport they acquired assets that they have allowed to run down, such as Inchgreen dry dock which is no longer useable, Greenock container terminal wher the cranes were on the point of collapse before they got public cash to replace them and Ardrossan harbour, which has one of the two berths closed due to collapse of neglected walls and the other suffering from wear to the berthing protection that now makes berthing the Arran ferry a hazardous procedure.

What the Scottish Government really needs to do is get rid of this company from Scotland

 

[Seven Spades]

Three private companies have too much power vested in them and no accountability. I don’t understand how any laws were ever passed giving them such power. Did the politicians think that they would be altruistic?

 

[RivalRedwing]

Wikipedia makes an interesting read: The Peel Group - Wikipedia

Would be interesting to see who they donate to...

 

[dgadee]

Three private companies have too much power vested in them and no accountability. I don’t understand how any laws were ever passed giving them such power. Did the politicians think that they would be altruistic?

Public bad. Private good. Since the days of Thatcher et. al.

 

[Sandy]

Isle of Man company, so a tax dodge. Says it all really.

The Peel Group has a complex business structure, consisting of 342 registered and active companies and subsidiaries excluding Peel Ports in the UK. Its ultimate parent company is the Isle of Man-based Tokenhouse Ltd.