Club pennent etiquette

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My father is a member of a prestigious yacht club which insists on strict flag etiquette.
He has asked that when I borrow his yacht, I fly a red (rather than his own blue) ensign to signify that the owner is not on board.
He also believes that the club pennant (flown from the masthead) should remain flying even if he is not on board and I am skipper.
I borrowed the boat last weekend and a long serving member of the club noticed that I was flying the club pennant but with a red ensign at the stern.
He has contacted my Father and mentioned that this should on no account be repeated.
Please advise the correct flag etiquette with regard a club pennant being flown when the owner/member is not on board the members yacht.

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Sadly

...flag etiquet is no longer considered important and most people say you can do what suits yourself. I disgree.

Only those who are holders of a warrant or who have been granted authority by a warrant holding club, can fly a blue, white or defaced red ensign. So stricktly you should not fly his blue. Nor can you fly a blue ensign unless you have the burgee of the aurhorising club at the masthead (or, these days, at the crosstrees).

I believe your friend is wrong in saying the club burgee should be left flying. My understanding is that it should only be flown if a club member is on board.

If you are skippering another person's boat and you are entitled to fly the blue ensign (or other special ensign), you are quite entitled to do so, together with the appropriate club burgee, or course.

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With all the due respect for British institutions that a person such as I, brought up in their midst, has always had, may I humbly – and with the shift in mentality that 20 years abroad has brought about – suggest that the fellow who called your father up, bothering him and yourself, get himself a life? Is he aware that the sun set on the Empire a wee while ago and that black tie is no longer de rigueur for dinner in Rawalpindi any more?!
"Che monade" as we say in Trieste!

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Navy signalmen used to be called 'bunting tossers'. I would suggest the name is more suited to members of said 'prestigious yacht clubs' who need to GET A LIFE!!! There are more important things going on in the world. All such clubs should be given a bodyswerve.

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Welcome to the forum.

I believe that the pennant should not be flown except when the member is on board, but it's all a bit anal in my humble opinion. Anyway, the red duster looks so much nicer than the blue rinse number, don't you think?



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Hello DRJO

Good grief!!!, would be very interested to see this clubs rule book(s). Dont they sail for fun and general enjoyment? Is this one of the establishments that INSIST upon certain dress codes in the club house, no women (or ladies) in the bar/smoking room etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

So happy to belong to a common or garden sailing club that is open to ANYONE with a love for sailing

Is it still true that the RN are authorised to open fire on vessels flying the skull and cross bones?


Regards
Cameron Kennedy

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Tugboat. Unfortunately, this "fellow" has a life, having taken his boat transat, through the canal to Galapogos, South Seas, Aus and NZ.
Metabarca. I agree, but it would be a shame to get the old man kicked out of a club he enjoys. Nothing wrong with the odd black tie bash, especialy given the fairer sexes usual atire.
KevB. You would'nt get in! It's only open to those who have actualy contributed something to sailing, can show they can sail, and by invitation only. Guess you fail on all counts !
You probably have some of their nav. books and use all their published expertise to get you by........

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Re: Sadly

It's hardly worth getting excited about, but it IS their pennant and ensign, so I would be happy to play by their rules. JJ's explanation seems in line with accepted behaviour.
Now then, what does a bloody enormous Saltire at the stern, and a flag of Norway at the starboard cross trees signify? When in the Clyde, I mean?

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Name it then, you never know I just might have been there.

"You probably have some of their nav. books and use all their published expertise to get you by"
Very condescending........ Sounds as if you belong there.


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Norwegian Flag

Guilty to flying the Norwegian Flag from my port cross trees but always the Red Ensign from the stern.
Here was I thinking that I was the last Viking on the Clyde but it looks as though the invasion has started again.

Jim.

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Re: Sadly

Isnt the Nowegian flag at the starboard Xtrees a courtesy flag ?? If so, why in the Clyde ? Maybe he's just passage back from Norway.

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Re: Sadly

Got me there Superstrath!

If it was the other way round I would say a Norwegian was visiting the Clyde and flying a courtesy flag of the host nation

Howzabout a Celt (from Largs) just been off to see why a Viking had been looking at his bird?

Regards
Cameron

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Re: Norwegian Flag

It seems to be increasingly acceptable for a yachtsman, aboard a yacht registered and sailed in a country other than his motherland, to fly the ensign of registry/domicile with a 'courtesy' ensign at the crosstrees to indicate his nationality. There is good reason for this aboard charter boats in the Med and Caribbean and I can understand the thinking elsewhere.

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Re: Sadly

Superstrath, Another thought. If there's a club meet, it's common to fly the courtesy flags of any countries you've been to since previous meets.

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Re: I think you\'ll find...

Good grief!!!

I can see tin slugs with holes in all over the place - every stag or hen party apperas to think this the correct ensign - often wear hats to match - or horns and long blond platts.

Tony Brooks

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