Close shave today

The worse part about having a collision ,presuming noone is injured,is that you may well lose the rest of the boating season.Instead of sailing you get all the hassle of dealing with insurance ,boatyard etc etc.

Not much comfort then knowing you were the stand on vessel.
 
Might I humbly suggest that you make a closer study of Colregs by either visiting www.Sailtrain.co.uk or attending a RYA Yachtmaster Offshore Shore Based Theory Course where you will learn all the relevant answers to your queries, plus an awesome lot more
 
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However, Yacht stormed in from nowhere on my starboard side from which visibility is partly blocked from my mast and cockpit screen, impossible to see anyone from a certain angle, also i have no view of anything coming up at the stern of me without jumping up and peeping over the aft cabin every few minutes. Never know what or who is going to pass next. Luckily no-one was close behind at the time.


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This is very worrying indeed. You have to be able to see through 360 degrees otherwise you will become a statistic. Please do not blame others for inadequacies in your boat design and your ability to keep watch. Surprised you did not get a mouthful - think you got off very lightly.

Sorry if you thought that your post would lead to expressions of support.
 
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Do we want pea brained [--word removed--] like this in control of boats/yachts putting peoples lives at risk.

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I think you are the person we don't want in control of boats/yachts putting peoples lives at risk.

Next time you are going out, post your passage plan on this forum and at least we can take the approriate action to avoid you and leave you in your ignorance and blindness.
 
Sorry, but I think that you were mainly to blame for this incident. THe other boat should not have got so close, and he must accept a lesser percentage of the blame.

I find it frightening that you sail without keeping an all round lookout, please check the colregs.
 
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I think you should think yourself a lucky chappie and as has been suggested previously, buy a book on colregs, then read it, and keep quite about your exciting episode

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As I understand the collision regs both parties were in the wrong. In the end it is the duty of all vessels to take avoiding action when neccessary.

I don't think there is much value in throwing insults at people such as " You're the person we don't want."

Much better to educate.

Martin
 
Correct but the starting point is that anyone in control of their yacht needs to know the rules so to the extent that we do not want people who are ignorant of the col regs in command, I agree, particularly when that person has been so obviously insulting of the person who was almost certainly less responsible for the incident.

Education is fine. I used to teach navigation and boathandling in the 1980's but I still learn every time I go out. At least I start from knowing the basics. Like many of us on this Forum, I witness people who obviously don't know and haven't learned the rules, and I ask myself whether they are really fussed if I have taken action to avoid collisions.

Incidents happen at sea - learn from them and always first ask "was it my fault". Far too much tendency to blame the other chap, IMHO.
 
One presumes that someone who reads and/or posts on here has a least an average interest in sailing, yet, time and time again people show the most dangerous lack of knowledge of the elementary principles of seamanship.
This poster should reflect very carefully on his behaviour and think twice before he puts his own life and that of others at risk by skippering a boat again.
If he has any qualifications from the RYA they should be revoked at once.
And as for the posters who say "I give way to anything..." they should be thinking carefully as well.
What we need are some high profile prosecutions of people like this and complusory licencing.
 
Agree with most of what you say apart from compulsory licensing.

Motoring is the most licensed and regulated activity we do but look at all the numpties on the road.
 
I used to do this, even on the roads when I saw someone wanting out I would flash them. However often this caused confusion and people would end up in a situation outside the expected rules and I now think it better to stick to the rules of the road (or sea)

However, I frequently find myself in situations, last week for example where I was close hauled on starboard when approached from port by a yacht motoring. I reasoned that I was "Stand on vessel" for 1) position (him approaching my port side as in diagram above 2) I was under sail, he was motoring. etc I was also single handed but I did not consider this a factor, nor could reasonably expect other boat to know

He got closer and closer and I got more and more nervous, bear in mind that we were the only two boats off Rothesay Bay so plenty of space. At last moment, at arround 4 boat lengths, he swung behind me.

How might I have established myself as stand on vessel? I had considered 5 blasts on horn

As he passed I noticed he was flying a Blue Ensign. Should I have therefor scuttled my boat to get out of his way?

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Totally agree with you southace. Someone once told me when I was learning to drive to regard every other driver as an idiot and keep out of their way. Same applies but usually more so on the water. Recent ref. the collision in Percuil river.

Best collision regs is the Jamaican maxim - 'De bigger boat has de right of way'.

Micky, please warn us as to when and where you are sailing and read your col regs. Thanks for the reminder that a large number of half-wits are in charge of potentially lethal craft and unaware of their incompetence.
 
"As he passed I noticed he was flying a Blue Ensign. Should I have therefor scuttled my boat to get out of his way?"

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I remember, when I first bought my own boat, I took my family out with me. The feeling of responsibility was huge. I made some mistakes, as we all do. One day my wife said to me "Why do we make so many mistakes?"

My response was simply "The point is that we know when we make mistakes" Much better than blundering around oblivious to ones cock ups.

I still don't think there is any value in throwing names at this poor guy. Better to help him & maybe impress the need for voluntary education. A much more useful process!

Martin
 
I am not throwing names at the original poster, nor was DavidBolger who said:

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Do we want pea brained [--word removed--] like this in control of boats/yachts putting peoples lives at risk.

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I agree with the first comment. It is not name calling, it is a statement of the obvious which I would have thought most people on this forum would endorse for their own safety.

You knew you had made mistakes because you obviously took the trouble to establish the rules. Obviously the original poster has not done so. What is worse, he has taken to blaming others (and calling them names) and his boat.

There is no value in name calling in any circumstances, and there is no way we want people not knowing the rules or understanding when they have made a mistake.
 
You guys who give way to everybody had better stay away from the Solent on a summer weekend.

In giving way to somebody you needn't, you could find yourself in the path of another boat who was not expecting you to be there.

You will end up not actually getting anywhere, going round in circles. Worse still, you could cause an accident because of others were assuming you would stand on your course.
 
Re: Disability and sailing

Your question? No. Assuming they are also on port tack, you have the wind so must give way. The fact that your genny is obscuring your vision is no excuse. You must keep a better watch

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I, In common with many others would fight against Compulsary Licensing because it will lower standards.

I cant remember the figures now but the RYA will be able to provide data. U.K has one of the lowest requirements for licensing (Radio) is about it, & one of the lowest rates of leisure marine accident in the world.

Those figures prove that Voluntary Education is the way to go. You know as well as I do that a lesson learned voluntarily will stick in the memory much more firmly than one forced to be where its not wanted.

Compulsary licensing will do nothing but encourage people to attain the minimum standard required to get on the water. You only have to look at the standards of driving on the road for your bechmark.

Martin
 
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