Clever Dick Comes Unstuck

[DAKA]

Really. If you are going to argue facts, try to get them right.



Serves him right. Twat

Is it right to spoil his enjoyment ?

just from your avatar I assume you enjoy Trialling, that really rapes the land with noise pollution and leaves hell of a mess, it will spoil enjoyment for others (who dont own the field you wreck any more than you own the lake).



PS

I think its great you have a sport, Im not suggesting for a minute that you stop, I wish you many hours of fun, just making the point that we all wish to pursuit different sports and it is wrong for the law to interfere with a young man and his sport.

 

[Lakesailor]

Is it right to spoil his enjoyment ?

just from your avatar I assume you enjoy Trialling, that really rapes the land with noise pollution and leaves hell of a mess, it will spoil enjoyment for others (who dont own the field you wreck any more than you own the lake).
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The difference is what we do is perfectly legal. Those with stewardship of the land approve of it and no one else has access to that land.

Noise is relevant to how close you are to it. Sites are isolated.
The grass grows back. It's a though we have never been.

Who is to object?

Those enjoying the lake lawfully have every right to expect the authorities to step in and censure those who break the rules.

Besides which:- My OP was on the misguided attempts of someone who obviously thought he was a special case to bamboozle those local yokels up in the Lakes.

 

[aquaplane]

There should be an area for skiing or for the power boats to have a blast, but it's not going to happen, the tree huggers are in charge of the asylum.

There should also be an area for folks who don't like lots of wash to be able to escape from it, but there isn't.

Power boats going at hull speed, wakeboarders and the Miss's, especially Miss Cumbria, make lots of wash, a no wash bylaw instead of a speed limit would have been better IMHO, with a play area where folks who don't like it know to keep away.

There is a speed limit, it doesn't seem to be as well enforced as when the Wardens were incharge, but it's what there is and folk should stick to it or not bleat when they are caught.

 

[chinita]

There should be an area for skiing or for the power boats to have a blast, but it's not going to happen, the tree huggers are in charge of the asylum.

Where I keep a boat, in Brightlingsea, there is a dedicated area for the speed freaks.

But that is Essex, not Cumbria (where they have MASSIVE lakes); different priorities there.

 

[Lakesailor]

In 2011 there weren't many prosecutions. They are not policing it on a zero-tolerance basis.

 

[DAKA]

Besides which:- My OP was on the misguided attempts of someone who obviously thought he was a special case to bamboozle those local yokels up in the Lakes.

It came across that you were pleased that a young man had lost the opportunity to enjoy his sport.

In my opinion there is precedent in English law that specifically denies the law to be used in such a way, he apparently missed the opportunity to put this point across to the judge.

If you think the local bully boy yokels are coming across well in pursuing such cases then we will have to agree to differ.

 

[lustyd]

Are any of the lakes set aside for faster craft? Surely the answer in the Lake District, with all it's lakes, is to separate traffic by applying different rags to different lakes? Even to the point of banning sailing on one of them to ensure it's safe to speed in a mobo without worrying so much about rights of way.

 

[Seajet]

Unfair to chavs

It came across that you were pleased that a young man had lost the opportunity to enjoy his sport.

In my opinion there is precedent in English law that specifically denies the law to be used in such a way, he apparently missed the opportunity to put this point across to the judge.

If you think the local bully boy yokels are coming across well in pursuing such cases then we will have to agree to differ.

Daka,

as a boy of about 7-8 I was pottering in my 10' gunter sailing dinghy by Low Wray, Windermere one day.

A speedboat and skier came roaring straight around the headland, and the 'helmsman' looked horrified to see me, just froze and didn't adjust wheel or throttle; I had oncoming boat to one side, skier the other.

I reckoned I was going to have my rig modified, and very possibly my own statistics too, so dived for the bottom boards; I was only saved by the skier letting go, which was nice of them as they ended up going straight into rocks still at quite high speed.

On another occasion at our camp site a young girl was carried ashore bleeding badly from a very nastily cut leg after contact with a speedboat, and high powered motor cruisers were a menace in terms of both direct collision, wash and noise.

None of these motor boat drivers showed the slightest hint of competence or consideration to others.

The speed limit on Windermere is one of the best laws to have been passed in the 20th Century !

 

[Lakesailor]

It came across that you were pleased that a young man had lost the opportunity to enjoy his sport.

In my opinion there is precedent in English law that specifically denies the law to be used in such a way, he apparently missed the opportunity to put this point across to the judge.

If you think the local bully boy yokels are coming across well in pursuing such cases then we will have to agree to differ.

We will indeed.

I can't see how reporting someone for speeding in an area that has specific byelaws to prevent speeding can be construed as preventing someone enjoying his sport. I can't imagine what point you think he was going to put across to the judge.

If you read the above summary of activity re local byelaws you will see that out of 448 incidents only 2 were reported for prosecution. That is hardly heavy-handed.

I can't see your point, unless it is one of your usual trolls.

 

[chinita]

Daka,

as a boy of about 7-8 I was pottering in my 10' gunter sailing dinghy by Low Wray, Windermere one day.

A speedboat and skier came roaring straight around the headland, and the 'helmsman' looked horrified to see me, just froze and didn't adjust wheel or throttle; I had oncoming boat to one side, skier the other.

I reckoned I was going to have my rig modified, and very possibly my own statistics too, so dived for the bottom boards; I was only saved by the skier letting go, which was nice of them as they ended up going straight into rocks still at quite high speed.

On another occasion at our camp site a young girl was carried ashore bleeding badly from a very nastily cut leg after contact with a speedboat, and high powered motor cruisers were a menace in terms of both direct collision, wash and noise.

None of these motor boat drivers showed the slightest hint of competence or consideration to others.

The speed limit on Windermere is one of the best laws to have been passed in the 20th Century !

This strengthens my argument that there should be either a total ban on motor craft, a distinct separation between motor craft on every lake used for boating leisure purposes, or a completely different lake set aside for motor craft.

I am not being anti-mobo, far from it, but it appears to me that a little lad in a lugger is in danger either from being mown down by a vessel at high speed or tipped over by the wash of a vessel at low speed.

I am sure the power boaters would be equally happy to know that around the corner there is not a couple of swallows and amazons nippers waiting to be dismembered.

When will it happen? When the first kid is killed?

 

[Seajet]

Chinita,

woa, slow down !

The incident I describe happened around 1976, standards among mobo's - on the South Coast anyway, sadly haven't been back to the Lakes - are vastly better nowadays.

I would think everyone can get on and enjoy the Lake safely, as long as common sense and consideration prevail and the speed limit is stuck to.

For reasons you and I describe though, I do think the byelaw will continue to require strict enforcement, as the Birmingham Navy are a bit close at hand.

 

[DAKA]

I can't see your point, unless it is one of your usual trolls.

happy to disagree, its not a problem.
I wouldnt troll you maliciously and it should be obvious when Im joking.


Several years ago a village cricket team kept batting the ball into villages gardens to the extent it was dangerous to sun bath in their own gardens.

The cricketers were taken to court in an attempt to stop them playing cricket.

The judge realized that he was old and out of touch and summed up that it was a dangerous sport and a dangerous location but

" the law must not ever get in the way of a young man and his sport"

The cricketers carried on batting the balls into the locals gardens.



It is very clear to me that the law is being used to interferer with a young man and his sport in the lakes.

Very disappointing, what next football ?
Accident and emergency wards full every sat/sun, makes the isolated incidents pointed out above very insignificant.

Please dont take the above as an argument, I only went to the trouble to explain why I disagreed after you thought I may be trolling.

It doesnt affect me in any way so I dont feel strongly enough to battle over it .

kind regards
Pete

 

[Lakesailor]

I see that now.

To take your analogy further.
A cricketer wouldn't be accommodated in such a way if he wanted to play cricket in the local cemetery. That is not what they are intended for.

If the boater wants to enjoy the sport of his choice, Loch Lomond is the nearest inland spot or he can take to the sea.

 

[chinita]

Daka,

as a boy of about 7-8 I was pottering in my 10' gunter sailing dinghy by Low Wray, Windermere one day.

A speedboat and skier came roaring straight around the headland, and the 'helmsman' looked horrified to see me, just froze and didn't adjust wheel or throttle; I had oncoming boat to one side, skier the other.

I reckoned I was going to have my rig modified, and very possibly my own statistics too, so dived for the bottom boards; I was only saved by the skier letting go, which was nice of them as they ended up going straight into rocks still at quite high speed.

On another occasion at our camp site a young girl was carried ashore bleeding badly from a very nastily cut leg after contact with a speedboat, and high powered motor cruisers were a menace in terms of both direct collision, wash and noise.

None of these motor boat drivers showed the slightest hint of competence or consideration to others.

The speed limit on Windermere is one of the best laws to have been passed in the 20th Century !

My dear old thing; I was merely matching your colourful hyperbole.

 

[wotayottie]

So the Ranger was in fact lying?

Either he was or the 2 people on board were. Can you say it was the two people on board " beyond any reasonable doubt"?

I gave you an example of one case where I know for sure that the plod lied about something that wasnt open to misreading or misjudgement.

 

[aquaplane]

Those statistics show that there were 200+ warnings and 2 convictions. If the bloke had admitted he was speeding even if he thought it was marginal, 20Kts isn't marginal, he would have got away with a lecture.

He probably got all indignant and arsey with the Ranger so the Ranger had to take it further.

5th Jan last year I was pootling about charging the battery and the Ranger pulled me up for not renewing my licence. I told him I had left the renewal paperwork at home and would sort it out next time I came up and left it at that, the Wardens would have been happy with that I think. He could have told me to go to the Wardens office and pay immediately but he didn't.

I thought the bloke was a bit keen to post a letter saying that using a boat without a valid licence was an offence and that I had had a warning that would stay in my file for 3 years but the Rangers seem to work a bit different to the Wardens.

I didn't get convicted and I was deffinitely in the wrong.

I'll have to try to remember to renew before Easter this year.

 

[Lakesailor]

The Rangers have actually been a lot more hands-off than the Wardens were (speeding responsibility was moved from Wardens to Rangers).
Now they have the new technology (which is Home Office approved BTW) they are getting to grips with those who take the mick.

Who do I believe? The Ranger actually.

 

[Seajet]

My dear old thing; I was merely matching your colourful hyperbole.

I don't see why relating true incidents is 'colourful' or 'hyperbole', suggest you look up these terms old fruit !

 

[gljnr1983]

I see that now.


If the boater wants to enjoy the sport of his choice, Loch Lomond is the nearest inland spot or he can take to the sea.

Best forget loch lomond especially if people keep recomending it for powerboating they are already banning people from the islands because people keep chopping trees down for firewood and leaving rubbish strewn about.On google earth there are parts of the islands that were green with trees and bushes but now there bare with stumps everywhere,i reckon its the added pressure from the windermere speed limits that has caused this were before the growth could recover over winter.
And watching a group from newcastle chopping trees down with a chainsaw didnt help either.
I think it is very selfish of the windermere anti wake brigade to keep recomending a place that is way more important than windermere.

 

[Marsupial]

A bit of drift but it is relevant

“We have an advanced GPS speedometer which is accurate to within a fraction of one per cent.

Err no what he means is the device has a precision of a fraction of one percent so the read out is to 2 decimal places (like my impeller log), he's not the first to confuse the term "accuracy" with "precision", my wrist watch has a precision of .01 seconds but I bet its never accurate to better than 1 minute over a year, certainly never close to .01 seconds. and my log? the less said about that the better. . .

sorry, I will now drift off