Cleats in Bathing Platform

Kingfisher 4 said:
Having tripped over the crossed stern lines 3 times I've stopped doing it. Each time went down wallop and each time covered in bruises and once fell onto the pontoon and took all the skin off one arm and leg. Now I just run the lines normally - port side going to port etc. Can't say I've noticed any difference with sideways movement of the stern … the lines stay as taught as necessary without being crossed and keep the boat in place. I'm on the last finger with a big pontoon astern. Maybe it's different if you're Med moored? I've got those big fenders bolted to the pontoon for the side and 2 for the stern which saves hanging fenders out on my home berth.
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Yes, different in the med, with a single/bridle on the bow and 2 stern lines. Additional crossed springs keep the boat more stable in a blow. No chance of tripping over them as they are from bathing platform to the bollards on the quay and the passerelle goes over the top.
 
markc said:
Yes, different in the med, with a single/bridle on the bow and 2 stern lines. Additional crossed springs keep the boat more stable in a blow. No chance of tripping over them as they are from bathing platform to the bollards on the quay and the passerelle goes over the top.
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Agreed. They are almost essential in the Med although many boats, even big ones, dont use crossed sternlines which means that in a blow they lean on the boat next door stressing their lines unnecessarily and damaging their fenders
 
petem said:
Some dimwit :)!
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Well, I don't know.
That chap has a 22m boat, someone who permanently takes good care of her, and he couldn't care less about her technicalities.
Most folks here in the asylum would prefer a more involved type of boating, I suppose.
But I wouldn't mind giving his approach a try, for a change.
If only I could afford it, that is...
 
No idea, I'm afraid
While I was still in N Adriatic, he had to come back to the yard after launching the boat, due to a shaft seal leaking - and obviously he wasn't a happy bunny.
But I haven't heard from him since then.
Very nice vessel, though.
In some ways, I liked it better than some later models.
 
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Thinking a little more about crossed sternlines, it's the angle of attack that matters. If you could get the landside end far enough away from the stern cleat/bollard all would be well and you wouldn't have to cross them ... guess you can't do that when crammed between two other boats.
 
Portofino said:
Here a pic of a neighbours boat
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A wrong installation (which IIRC is the OEM standard, in the C43) in so many ways that I don't know where to start criticizing the builder.
I bet that both mine and markc cleats could take a much higher load without a blink - and neither are supposed to be the primary ones, as opposed to those in your pics!
 
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MapisM said:
A wrong installation (which IIRC is the OEM standard, in the C43) in so many ways that I don't know where to start criticizing the builder.
I bet that both mine and markc cleats could take a much higher load without a blink - and neither as supposed to be the primary ones, as opposed to those in your pics!
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Agree entirely. A cleat installation in that position for Med mooring or indeed for any kind of mooring is beyond stupid. And even worse its by an Italian builder who should know better
 
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MapisM said:
A wrong installation (which IIRC is the OEM standard, in the C43) in so many ways that I don't know where to start criticizing the builder.
I bet that both mine and markc cleats could take a much higher load without a blink - and neither are supposed to be the primary ones, as opposed to those in your pics!
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What are your thoughts on the FL Targa 47 ,s and Princess V48.,s cleat position that may be used for crossed lines ?
Sort of same end on the haunch location
 
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Agree entirely. A cleat installation in that position for Med mooring or indeed for any kind of mooring is beyond stupid. And even worse its by an Italian builder who should know better
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My boat has cleats in that location, but the handbook states they are tender cleats and not to be used for mooring suspect many unknowingly use them as mooring cleats
 
NGM said:
My boat has cleats in that location, but the handbook states they are tender cleats and not to be used for mooring suspect many unknowingly use them as mooring cleats
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Fair enough
 
Portofino said:
What are your thoughts on the FL Targa 47 ,s and Princess V48.,s cleat position that may be used for crossed lines ?
Sort of same end on the haunch location
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Well, in neither boats those are the main/only stern cleats, IIRC?
Anyway, if a cleat must bear the line load transversally, it's poorly installed by definition, so to speak - regardless of its position.
 
Bear in mind if you have a rib on the back the lower cleats are useless.

My consultant big bear across s65 and s58. The cross lines run the rib and depending on dock height there may or may not be a viable alternative. Last winter I ended up with a complex set of v ropes to deal with the issue ( quite well as it happens ).
 
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What are your thoughts on the FL Targa 47 ,s and Princess V48.,s cleat position that may be used for crossed lines ?
Sort of same end on the haunch location
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My boat only has the upper cleats as per the T47 in your pic and to be honest I only ever tie the boat up on the pontoon side so no cross lines. Where I am at he moment this is fine as the prevailing wind pushed the boat onto the pontoon (I have half a dozen fenders on that side).

If Med mooring with a 6 ton boat will I need to tie cross lines and would I just tie them to the aft clean on the appropriate size? Also, I've never bothered with snubbers or compensator spring things on my lines. Is this an issue (I do have the original FL thick black warps that seem to have some stretch in them and are probably oversized for my boat)?
 
I've always been pleased with the stern cleats on the P67.
Princess seem to have got it right in this respect.
It is the most important cleat on our home berth as it keeps the stern close - the distance between the pontoon cleat and the stern boat cleat is about 2 feet.
And as such is always the last line to be released when we leave.

On Med berths, we have to be careful that the crossed lines don't clash with the passerelle (ours is a cassette type.).
Again, the cleats low down are great when used with crossed lines - they run under the passerelle so don't present a trip hazard and don't get in the way of people leaving/boarding.

I agree that a dinghy might get in the way but the P67 allows us to put our tender on the FB whenever we stern berth.
As in this pic

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petem said:
My boat only has the upper cleats as per the T47 in your pic and to be honest I only ever tie the boat up on the pontoon side so no cross lines. Where I am at he moment this is fine as the prevailing wind pushed the boat onto the pontoon (I have half a dozen fenders on that side).

If Med mooring with a 6 ton boat will I need to tie cross lines and would I just tie them to the aft clean on the appropriate size? Also, I've never bothered with snubbers or compensator spring things on my lines. Is this an issue (I do have the original FL thick black warps that seem to have some stretch in them and are probably oversized for my boat)?
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I would not leave the boat unattended for more than a few days without using springs in winter they are essential. A s58 in Andraxt without them had the cleats torn out. If it is moving you need something to stop line snatch.
 
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