Cleat on a windlass use?

[Neeves]

I've already asked Jimmy Green when ordering a new anchor rode. They weren't sure either. However we jointly decided to put a loop in the bitter end of the Anchor plait rode (60m 12mm chain and 20m anchor plait) to go over the cleat if the whole rode was deployed. Not sure why but thinking was it could be used temporarily.
I have, since buying a new Knox anchor, used the cleat to run a strop from it to the Knox roll bar. It's worked very well in keeping the anchor very secure. It never moved once during some very bumpy seas off Lands End and the anchor sure got a beating during that transit.

I did wonder if the cleat was somehow used were you to have an all chain rode and wanted to add some textile, to lengthen the rode. But I could not work out how the cleat would help. What you might need is some way of securing the chain so that you could attach the textile and the cleat did not seem very useful ----- unless you put a hitch near the end of the chain, attach to the cleat, then add the rope, then continue to deploy...??

I remain intrigued. It was, presumably, added for good and sound reason, it will catch any and all loose sheets so there has to be an upside. If it is not purely decorative - we should be be aware of what, all the opportunities, we are missing (we do not have a cleat).

If Jimmy Green sell the unit - they really should know

I'm constantly disappointed....

Jonathan

 

[Neeves]

Can I ask why you specify Nylon ? There are good and bad nylon cordage ....

I have a nylon rope that I use for non boaty stuff that if left outside will quickly degrade with UV / sun and literally fall apart.

There are many synthetic and composite ropes out there as good as or better than nylon ...

May sound stuff of Horror movies to you - but last year I replaced all sheets and halyards ... typical cordage .... it was all recycled into mooring lines / strops .... many alternative uses. Cosmetically it looked its age and for good orders sake - replaced it all. None of it old or new is nylon.

Check our the elasticity of nylon and compare it to most other items of cordage. For moorings and snubbers you want elasticity.

I don't know when you were last in the UK but to us, in Oz, they don't have sun (so no UV degradation) their major concern is that foreigners remark on how green everything is - including the halyards and sheets

Jonathan

 

[Refueler]

Check our the elasticity of nylon and compare it to most other items of cordage. For moorings and snubbers you want elasticity.

I don't know when you were last in the UK but to us, in Oz, they don't have sun (so no UV degradation) their major concern is that foreigners remark on how green everything is - including the halyards and sheets

Jonathan

Please re-read my post ... my question was why the guy was so adamant and only nylon.

Then I make clear that there are nylon and there are nylon ... so care in choosing UV safe version.

There are ropes of combination synthetics / other that do the job as well ...

Just to be clear - I do not live in UK anymore ... I live in Former Soviet Baltics.

 

[Neeves]

Please re-read my post ... my question was why the guy was so adamant and only nylon.

Then I make clear that there are nylon and there are nylon ... so care in choosing UV safe version.

There are ropes of combination synthetics / other that do the job as well ...

Just to be clear - I do not live in UK anymore ... I live in Former Soviet Baltics.

Sorry you appear to be a bit touchy today - my apologies for having in any way upset you. As you say your post was crystal clear and accurate - my error.

Jonathan

 

[Refueler]

Sorry you appear to be a bit touchy today - my apologies for having in any way upset you. As you say your post was crystal clear and accurate - my error.

Jonathan

Not touchy at all ... just running 4 'conversations' at same time ... 1 - this forum ... 2 - Russian Trader .... 3 - Geneva Trader ... 4 - China office where two ships are due to berth, can lead to me appearing sharp .. but believe - not intended.

Working at home - I need abstraction .. need to have something away from the pressures of trade. Forums provide that and I use them between emailing / Whatsapp / WeChat dealings.

 

[Graham376]

Check our the elasticity of nylon and compare it to most other items of cordage. For moorings and snubbers you want elasticity.
I don't know when you were last in the UK but to us, in Oz, they don't have sun (so no UV degradation) their major concern is that foreigners remark on how green everything is - including the halyards and sheets
Jonathan

I've had moorings for close on 30 years and went off stretchy nylon strops quite a few years ago, preferring non stretch polysteel which lasts about three times as long and we are in a high UV area. The 8 metres of 19mm chain between the block and the riser gives enough snubbing. For anchor snubber, of course we use stretchy nylon.

 

[Mudisox]

Most cordage that I use for the various tasks are handled often, so any degradation is immediately noticed and replaced. It also gets pretty filthy so another treason to replace with new to task cordage. But the elasticity is the main point.

 

[Refueler]

I know some will disagree with this ... but I'm not a great believer in this 'elasticity' matter. When I make fast - I don't make such that boat is held hard ... I leave a touch enough so boat does not have a hard time of it. I'm not mooring a super tanker or anything !
Too often I notice too tight lines on boats and wonder what owners are thinking when they do it.

I do not mean mine are slack and loose .. just that they are sufficient to hold boat secure but not hard on the fenders.