classification of "classic".

[Clive_Rigden]

classification of \"classic\".

Do Hustler 30 XMs - the Holman & Pye design - classify as "classic boats"?

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[tcm]

Re: classification of \"classic\".

Are they old? Short of headroom? Bit slow? Need lots of maintenance? And ESPECIALLY - is it for sale? Any one of these qualifies a boat as classic.

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[Clive_Rigden]

Re: classification of \"classic\".

Early 70s. Very pretty yet powerful.

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[halcyon]

Re: classification of \"classic\".

Are but is it plastic ??

Our yacht was moulded of a Diamond, the Diamond is wood and a classic, ours Halcyon is plastic and to some people not a classic, odd folk about.

Brian

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[Mirelle]

Re: classification of \"classic\".

Include me out!

I do not want my boat to be called a "classic"!

She is a comfortable, safe, family cruiser. We do not go to classic boat rallies. We do, occasionally, go in for Old Gaffers Races, but that is in order to learn to sail better. "Classic" implies something that is no longer in everyday use, but which is polished before being taken out to rallies on summer Sundays. I don't want one of those, not least because I could not have scuffs in the paint scrufy varnish!

So why do I read "Classic Boat"? - Well, it tends to have articles about boats like mine in it!

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[tcm]

Re: Hah!

very tenuous. If a boat like yours is called a classic, then yours is a classic, so hard luck. If a boat exactly like yours was for sale it would be a classis, yes?

Note: i didn't say "if you sold your boat" because of course that mite imply you mite possibly consider selling her, which no owner of any classic boat would ever dream of doing ever, goodness me no (until er they do, hence weird classic boat mag adverts "regretfully" for sale, price: £loads more than you'd think ...)


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[Mirelle]

Why can\'t I just have an old boat?

People can ask silly money for their boats if they like; they may find someone silly enough to pay it!

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[mickshep]

Re: Hah!

Some people try to get 'classic' status by going for the retro look fittings/coatings on a later vessel, (like copper sheathing for instance), /forums/images/icons/smile.gif. Mike

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[Clive_Rigden]

Re: classification of \"classic\".

Hmm . . . Perhaps I should re-rig the Hustler as a gaff cutter and paint fake vanished planks on the hull. Oh yes - and a couple of mini tyres either side !

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[tcm]

Re: ouch

hum, fair comment. though honest, the copper sheathing wasn't for olde appearance!

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[tcm]

Re: no problem

of course, you do have an old boat.

But nobody (except i wd say rather stuck up types) would refer to their on boat as a classic. It's the brokers who callem classic so everyone else has to do the same.

If they aren't for sale (or as soon as they are sold) then everyone reverts to much more acceptable adjectives such old, traditional, much-loved, original and so on.



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[Mirelle]

On very careful consideration

I reckon the 30 is a classic, but not as classic as the 35!

Very pretty boat, anyway.

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[Mirelle]

Try this one

"Famous designer, lovely brightwork, original interior, with all original bronze fittings, full suit of Ratsey sails, mast and deck recently renewed, all new rigging".

But I don't think my son wants to sell his Firefly just yet!

"My old boat"

"Your classic yacht"

"His Gentleman's Motor Yacht!"

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[Clive_Rigden]

Re: On very careful consideration

Ah - now I agree with you there, though the 30 XM with the deeper lead keel has better windward perfromance than the 35. Those extra five feet do, however, make such a difference below . . .

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[tillergirl]

Re: Try this one

Oh dear you've disqualified me

Famous designer - not really, he nicked a bit from here and a bit from there and the original owner said he wanted a bit like this and a bit like that.
Lovely brightwork - no, not really
Original bronze fittings - one or two
Ratsey sails - definitely not but I do still use the 1964 spinny (colours have run a bit!) and I carry the original 1964 cotton storm jib as an act of bravado
Deck recently renewed - yes, yes I've madeit!
All new rigging - Oh damm it, missed again

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[mickshep]

Re: ouch

Sorry, couldn't resist. What was the final outcome, did it all have to come off? Regards, Mike.

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[tcm]

Re: copper fallout

i hauled out at Hamble Yacht services, just to patch up a few bits and pieces, but it turned out that the whole of the bow section and the whole of the stern (where there was turbulent water, impacts etc) was partially damaged or even destroyed - certainly far too much damage to envisage another few seasons with a partial patchup.

The middle third section where laminar flow predominates was quite good, but of course unles the whole thing is bomb solid (needing no liftouts) then it ain't a runner for long-term avoidance of liftouts - and that wd have made it an excellent proposition for 20+ metre boats who in some areas of the med need 3 lifts and blasts per season - not cheap at £2-3k each.

Anyway, keeping a bit of the copper was nonsensical, altho i flirted with the idea of afouling the fwd and stern, leaving the copper in the middle. So i ripped the lot off, wept a bit, then lashed on a few coats of black antifoul, which is where we are today, heyho.



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[mickshep]

Re: copper fallout

I seem to recall that a chap set up a company a number of years ago applying a very expensive 'stick on' copper sheathing system, The article I read featured a 25' or so traditional sailing boat that had lost the coating in a number of areas after a very short time. I can't remember what the eventual outcome was but I think the supplier disapeared leaving quite a number of very dissatisfied and very out of pocket customers. Mike.

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[Kristal]

Re: classification of \"classic\".

I must admit I'm rather coming around to the same opinion. There seem to be rather a lot of somewhat grumpy suggestions about how I should keep her, operate her, sail her and generally behave, as if somehow a debt of honour is due because of her "classic pedigree".

I am painfully aware of her age, of course, as I prepare to sign away more than a few grand for a tart-up this winter. Unique, definitely. Irreplaceable, certainly. But if classic means that the "Marina Stroller" (anyone else find these chaps about, bottomless wells of "reliable" information, yet apparently boatless?) gets to criticise her rig, her cleanliness, the marks on her hull, the colour of antifoul, etcetera ad infinitum, forget it!

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[Clive_Rigden]

Re: classification of \"classic\".

Well, after all that - and, I can't believe this thread is yet extant - I'll assume that the Hustler 30 XM is a classic design and boat - though I promise never to refer to her as such - and shall therefore contribute to this forum without feeling a fraud.

I'm all gaffs, bumpkins and ballywrinkle at heart . . .


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