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[Portofino]

Your googling could use some refinement, PF.
They clocked a max speed of 50.2 kts (yes, FIFTY, not a typo) on their last 78 - which btw is a MUCH bigger boat than the Itama 75.
And over the Pond, the wave-bashing capabilities of their hulls are as legendary as Magnum's, just to name an Itama-like type of boat.

All pretty academic anyhow, since anyone interested in a superfast freight train whose range is sufficient for crossing to Bermuda would laugh at the idea of any open boat meant for day trips to Capri - or Nassau, for that matter.

I did and posted verifiable info from the manufacturers and regular tester mag results .
Your info is from a one off .The regular ones are a lot slower ....maybe correctly or different propping ? .
It's Michael Rybovich and Son's new Hull # 5 Persistence...78' Sportfish. Twin MTU 16V 2000 M96L's at 2600hp,each. Burning 250 GPH wide open (2450 RPM)...160 GPH (1850 RPM) = 36 kts

additionally this test was reduced to a real 47 knots gps over the seabed after taking the gulf stream water current into consideration.

For those reading the cooking / std R 78 came with similar Hp 1800 ish CAT s to the Itama 75 s 1800 Hp ish MTU ,s .......so more or less the same HP out of the box .

Interesting what a “ one off “ Itama 75 with shoe horned MTU V 16 2600 Hp ( like the R 78 ) would do ........to keep the comparison as scientifically accurate and thus meaningful.

Any how agree academic in the real world . Not sure where “ open “ plays a part as the Nortec 80 is a across the pond type of open Miami = Nassau boat that can easily 60 knots .
back in the Med ,the sea / waves as you should know regularly in the summer are big enough to warrant any serious Med boater to wish his boat was more capable tacking the rough stuff .That includes professional boat skippers running day trippers around your beautiful country .
There’s a reason why professionals gravitate towards Itama .......wonder why ?

Remember MapishM.........keep away from Frog research

 

[MapisM]

back in the Med ,the sea / waves as you should know regularly in the summer are big enough to warrant any serious Med boater to wish his boat was more capable tacking the rough stuff .That includes professional boat skippers running day trippers around your beautiful country

Porto, get real.
If that would really be the priority for most Med boaters, we would be surrounded by either Otam 80 at one end of the scale, or FPB 78 and Nordhavn 76 at the other end. Surely not by Itama 75, with their laughable range and shabby accommodation.
Med boaters buy SL/Fer/Azi/Prin/Sskr/whatever flybridges not because they are stupid, but because they are the best tools for the job, it's that simple.
In fact, you're saying it yourself: Itamas, also the largest ones, are perfect day trippers machines. But vessels for going places, they are not.

Which is the reason why it's pointless to compare them with the US sportfishing boats, which btw are MUCH bigger, for any given length: not only Rybovich or Jarrett Bay (with their wooden built hulls!) can eat Itamas for breakfast in any conditions, whether you like it or not, but they are proper ocean going machines, first and foremost.
Miami-Nassau? You're having a laugh, that's coastal cruising!
Go back to google and check where Bermuda is, and you'll see why it's neither Itama nor Nortech territory - never in your wildest dreams!

 

[Portofino]

You just don’t see many US sport fishers in the Med .
Shanes opening pic is typical odd one or two if that in any marina .Most are 40 ft ish and actually a bit grubby as they are used to fish by enthusiasts.
There just isn’t the appetite compared to leisure boaters .
As far as going places in Itama in the Med the natural habitat folks do travel in the knowledge it’s gonna be a safe / comfortable trip .They make great mile munchers ......adding reliable mile munchers as well .
feels like a bit of Itama hate seeping through tbo .
A bit lengthy but illiterates the point Infact it seems the 38 guy is mixing hotels / boats ....across the big islands .
How much confidence is needed to book in August when all if France / Italy is off ?

around 14 .0 is some good typical Itama weather note the others bouncing about .
Nobody ( except drug runners et al ) needs to go fast with the range from IT to Tunisia .
As said the wood of Rybovich and cost to maintain etc ......accounts for why you never see them in the Med .
Cruising in the Med in an Itama means near or around 30 knots or more .This means that extra 5/6 knots or 10 or what ever just makes imho the trip less of a chore @ 20/24 knots for the average FB stuff you quote .
In fact in the Med there’s ha whole plethora of fast big boats .AB , Mangusta, Overmarine , Otam , Magnum , Baia , Pershing + more .All can island hop or bay hop at eco 30 + knots all day .......with the hulls to keep up .
Your negativity towards this sector is hard to understand being they are all ITALIAN!
Why does your country build so many fast boats that aren’t FB s .......who’s buying them and why?


So your contention ( if I understood it correctly? ) that 60/80 FB numbers are such that it’s the best and only way by some Darwinism owner selection is false .
Look around at any Med boat show .Or any big Med marina where the wealth gravitates .
A lot of the owners of the list ^^^ are not into the “floating apartments“ mentality that comes with buying a boat to do just that .MOST already have land based property that full fills that role or even like the Itama 38 guy in the vid buy hotel time as well .
Due to the weather in the UK you dont see that wealth on the water so this forum is naturally biased towards weather proof floating apartments chugging along nearer 20 knots not 30 knots .

Theres 1 recent exception “ChrisH “. God bless him with his recent new to him Pershing + Arnies .......guess where it’s based ....The MED ........Cap Ferat you ain’t gonna see real estate prices any higher any where in the Med and the boats to match the property stock either btw .

 

[MapisM]

Hate? C'mon PF, you perfectly know that I always gave Amati the very respectable place in boating history that he deserves.
But telling that "any serious Med boater" would rather be in an Itama is beyond a joke.
If I (as well as many others) would have wanted an Itama, I would have bought one.
Saving also some money in the process btw, for comparable length.

That said, I'd never remotely consider a post-Amati Itama (as all 75s are, obviously).
You might remember the beautiful white 45 of which I posted a pic in another thread, moored near my DP.
In the literal words of her owner (a chap who forgot more about boats than we will ever know), modern Itamas are "cardboard boats", in comparison.

 

[Portofino]

Agree with your post Amarti sentiments .Theres a strong refit market and culture in pre Ferretti boats so that says something.
The first 1/2 dozen 75 s 62s and even 40/45S where indeed poor builds and had various issues .....Thx Ferretti ! .
Things have improved build Q wise over the past couple of years not just the Itama range the whole F range .Having said that each generation looks back and tells the new generation” they don’t build em like they used to “ ....applies to most builders both sides of the pond .

Any how how do explain the long of the list of none FB fast cruisers of which Itama are one in the Med made in Italy ?
I mean a Mangusta 165 for heaven sake ?
The Italian “fast boat “ none FB yards build far bigger boats than Rybovich or any other AM sport fishers .

People in the Med cruise about in anything everywhere, long and short distances you don’t need a wooden AM to do that .

 

[MapisM]

My point, exactly.
In the Med, there's people crossing from Africa on boats that we would be scared to board even while docked inside a marina.
If that doesn't put the need for deep vee, Arnesons, etc. in perspective, I don't t know what else can!

 

[gordmac]

A lot of the Africans don't make it because the boats aren't that suited.

 

[Portofino]

It’s a spectrum ......at the other end this ......

Berths in Loano .


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