Choice of small cruising boat...

The Anderson 22 still punches very well, as far as I'm aware the wind and sea haven't changed.

That goes for all Oliver Lee designs, the only designer to get a group on here - look in the ' community ' dark blue toolbar above here.

The reviewers from PBO and Sailing Today seemed to rather like her, 3 have raced across the Atlantic, and a well known big ship Master Mariner has just got one to do the the Jester with; more of that anon.

The Anderson is hopeless in light winds, but once things pick up you'll be hard pressed to catch her with a modern job, without it coming apart trying.

I and a young crew took mine - unwittingly - into prolonged 55 knot squalls & sustained F9 from Chichester to Cowes one Easter, and yes there were big waves, between the forts we had the cockpit filled.

TS Royalist was watching, and was so impressed with the ' little blue boat ' they hosted us for the evening and gave us a lift back the next day - the point of the trip was to leave her at Cowes before a mooring was ready.

As for handling, that is the very best point of the boat; above seaworthiness or speed, handling is an Oliver Lee boat's forte.

You're welcome to come for a spin when she's in the water next Spring, meantime PM me and I'll send you the reviews. :)
 
Just buy a centaur.......everyone always does it. Why bother with your own experience to make your own mind up :rolleyes:

PS: Can someone give me their experience of fender socks,I can't make mind mind up which colour to buy & am setting off on a round the world girdling voyage next Tuesday.
Thanks in advance ;)
 
Seajet said:
The Anderson is hopeless in light winds, but once things pick up you'll be hard pressed to catch her with a modern job, without it coming apart trying.
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Sorry, I think I'm confusing you and I'm not being very fair here and comparing apples with apples.

Most manufactures don't make small boats anymore as nobody really wants them so most modern designs don't start till about 30'.

Obviously a modern 30 footer would leave an Anderson for dead but it's not just about speed through the water. Longer waterline length means more space and comfort so you can do more with the boat.

I think from what the OP is saying a more classical design of around 26' or above would give him enough space for cruising and excellent performance at a competitive price. You can't argue with that as you're not going to get all that from a 22 footer.

Does that make more sense?

The Marieholm is an excellent example of a boat that would seem to suit his needs.

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Seajet said:
That goes for all Oliver Lee designs, the only designer to get a group on here - look in the ' community ' dark blue toolbar above here.
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To be fair that was a long time ago.

I like the work of Alec Issigonis but nowadays I'd rather stick to my Audi...

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Shaunksb has the idea... My kids have flown the nest so I don't need much cabin space, just enough for two. I'd be tempted to go smaller (Hurley 22) but I'd like that bit of extra performance that comes from a longer waterline
From looking so far I think I can't be too choosy about a particular model...
 
I've worked on my 1965 Mini changing the U/J's and I WOULD wish that on my worst enemy if I knew anyone I hated that much; Issigonis ought to be slowly roasted on a spit !

Hardly relates to an A22 which will show you lot a clean transom.

Remember I was the one suggesting a Cutlass 27, Varne Folkboat etc, I just responded with a few facts when an ill informed berk felt like having a go.

Back on earth, I have reason to believe there's a good Cutlass 27 available...
 
PeteCooper said:
Another potentially interesting thread ruined by Seajet's tunnel vision.
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Whats new! Amazing how he believes one obscure boat from 40 years ago is the answer for everybody. Anyway the rest of us rub along nicely never having seen let alone sailed the boat in question.
 
boggybrn said:
Until recently I owned a junk rigged Newbridge Pioneer. This was really easy to sail, but frustratingly slow up-wind. So when approached by a potential buyer I jumped at the chance and sold it. Now I'm panicking as I don't have a boat!

Over the last year I have been crewing on a Twister for club races, and have been really impressed with the way that it just leans over and keeps going with very little input on the helm. So I'd really like something in that ilk.

But... I can't afford a Twister and don't really want to go bigger than 26'.

I had a look at an Invicta 26 which is a distinct possibility. The main drawback was that my wife found getting in & out of the cabin a bit of a challenge.

So how would the following stack-up in terms of sailing experience:
- Halcyon 27
- Tomahawk 25
- Trident 24
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I should think a Halcyon 27 is twenty seven feet long that is one foot longer than the twenty six feet you stipulate :confused:
If you can't make your own mind up about what boat to buy then maybe you need much more experience of your own to go by!!!!!!!!! Nobody else can get it for you.
 
Seajet said:
Dick.
If you cared to look back over the thread you might find otherwise. :rolleyes:
Dick.
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I would have thought from my user name that it is fairly obvious that my name isn't Dick, so calling me Dick is about as accurate as the misinformed advice that you frequently spout on this forum.

If on the other hand if it is meant as a schoolboy insult then I believe that is against the rules of the forum.
 
I'd like some examples of any ' misinformed advice I spout ' ?

Let's have it please so we can discuss.

Seeing as you attacked me out of the blue, clearly not having read the thread, you can take ' Dick ' as a commonly used adjective rather than insult per se. :rolleyes:
 
PeteCooper said:
I would have thought from my user name that it is fairly obvious that my name isn't Dick, so calling me Dick is about as accurate as the misinformed advice that you frequently spout on this forum.

If on the other hand if it is meant as a schoolboy insult then I believe that is against the rules of the forum.
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Afraid you are wasting your time. He is incapable of seeing how ridiculous and unhelpful his ramblings are. So best to ignore.
 
No I certainly will not; you have attacked me for no good reason, as you have not read the whole thread through.

I have been very mild compared to most terms any normal person would apply to you...:rolleyes:
 
Seajet said:
A true example of ' each to his own ' as I wouldn't touch any of the boats mentioned; still if you're happy that's all that counts.
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Now the first post of yours that I was going to quote involved one of your standard rants about modern boats with aft cabins - but you have removed that part. Lots of people like the modern aft cabin designs - you don't, I get that. I just don't really see the relevance of your prejudices.

In the thread I quote you imply that the W Tiger Jag 27 and Pandora are no good yet in fact they are all decent boats. The Tiger is a lot nippier than you would expect, the Jaguar 27 sails well, the one I sailed felt a bit flimsy but was home completed and I suspect the factory version to be better put together. The Pandora(in all its guises) is a decent wee boat whos only crime seems to be that it is more popular than your boat of a similar size.
I had read the thread, hence my knowledge of the bit you have now deleted.

An insult is an insult however you chose to dress it up.
 
Insults ?

I haven't even started !

You can take comments from an experienced bod how you like.

Let's get down to specifics shall we ?

Name any single bit I've said which worries you.

BY THE WAY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD, HUGE DRIFT HERE

I have been sailing among boats around the 7 metre mark for over 4 decades, have you ?

Thought not, mouth on a stick.
 
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