Child licensing - the right to procreate

[dralex]

Why didn't I find this post earlier- you've nicked my point of view, Brendan S. Definately agree strongly that people do not have the right to have children if they cannot support them without help from society. The people who feel they have an automatic right to support are the ones who contribute the least and I don't just mean financially. I see so many wasters who feel society owe them a living and that it is always somebody elses fault, when all they have to do is put some effort in. i know lots of people disagree with views like this. Natural selection was ther for a reason- unfortunately due to modern control of our environment and also modern medicine, mankind has stopped evolving and so can only get weaker as a species.

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[Jools_of_Top_Cat]

Your points are very commendable, but you have moved on a little. I would be very uncomfortable with parents popping out sprogs if they already had children in care. I am unhappy with single parent families who are looked after by the state. Though this is not always the 'mothers fault. Many men, even upstanding well paid will not contribute to the upkeep of their estranged families, leaving the woman to live on the breadline. Living on the social with children is no holiday.

I am unhappy that intelligent people are not having children in order to chase a career.

But we do not belong to the Government, we are apparently free in this country. As a British Subject I have a 'right' to procreate, neither you nor the Government has or should have any say in the matter. I don't know whether people are joking when they suggest a parenting test? Who sets it? The non smacking liberal nancy brigade?

You think a Government like ours has the right to control a human right to breed, a government that fails again and again to educate the little darlings properly. But they still pump squillions of pounds at education to tell a child 2+2 might equal 5 but there is a better answer.

Should we means test potential adults because poor people must make bad parents, You know, not being able to provide play stations in the car and boat, not allowing the child the latest telephone handsets and the best fashion.

Who wants to play God, who determines a persons ability to be a parent. Before you had children if you do, were you the perfect armchair parent. Have you ever made a mistake?

I know this was a tongue in cheek thread, but I am actually shocked by the apparent fascist views with regard to human rights. No wonder Blunket is getting away with destroying this countries freedoms and turning us into a state worse than many we criticise.

Not all tearaway children come from 'poor' or 'bad parents' some people just turn out bad. What then, should we shoot them, ban the parents from having any more. In many families there will be a bad sibling when the rest go on to contribute and make good subjects.

What happens in the 'Police' state if a woman gets pregnant without a license, should she be forced to terminate the child. What happens if she loses her job at 6 months pregnant, should we terminate then. What about if she has serious complications during childbirth and can not work again, what then? Should your 'State' leave her out to dry.

For information, I am not a socialist, nor do I believe that anyone has a ‘right’ to live off the state, but, not everyone has a choice. You see people out of work appearing to live it up, when really they should be downtrodden and forced to labour camps.

I hope you never lose your job, especially after lets say 50 years old, or become disabled, because it seems most people think you should lose all human rights and you should curl up and die.


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[tyger]

Life is too short to read the whole thread so appologies if someone has already mentioned the SF classic "The Marching Morons". You might like their solution.



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[l'escargot]

I think you are being a bit unfair on social services - they get more stick from the Grauniad these days for taking kids away from unsuitable parents - they can't win.

 

[Lakesailor]

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The world is over populated, and the last thing we need are huge numbers of dimwitted badly raised children.

So, my proposal is that procreation and the raising of children, is something that should not be undertaken by those without the intelligence and means to bring life into this world, and raise and nurture it carefully.


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I too have missed most of the debate. But I was only yesterday pontificating on these very points.
Totally agree. Those who are best able are choosing to have few children in an effort to best use their resources to give the sprogs the best chance in life.

Those who are least able to support or educate their progeny are having as many as possible in an effort to "make their mark" on society, rather like the French wanted to have the majority population in Europe. Next, the world.

Quality, not quantity, should be the watchword.

 

[BrendanS]

Not suprised you missed it. Look at the dates, it's over a year old!

 

[Bergman]

Quite right

Trouble is we've not had a decent war for 60 years.

We need a really good set to with someone.

Do a bit a cull on the plebs

 

[Bergman]

My son can't spell

I await tickets to Australia

PS

Perth would be preferred

 

[Lakesailor]

They're in the post.

 

[Lakesailor]

But still so very relevant today. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[Bergman]

Many thanks

Will send son and dictionary by return

Best of luck

Don't call us - we'll call you

 

[DepSol]

Forgive me for not reading the whole thread in its entirity but shouoldnt this be on another posted in the lounge and not here. Not quoting you or anything!

 

[Lakesailor]

If you look back 7 posts, you will find, as I did, that the lounge wasn't around then.
What difference does it make anyway?

 

[DepSol]

I was taking the p***.

 

[adrianm]

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Living on the social with children is no holiday.


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Excuse me but I have two nieces and a friend of the family living on "social" with children. Once you take into account all the freebies they get they would have to take home nearly £2,000 a month to be better off. I hardly call that living on the breadline!

 

[BrendanS]

Yeah, right. Not a case of you jumping in wide mouth open as usual, with no research, and no idea what you are talking about. There are a few anti Soltron threads going on which need your skills far more. I haven't commented on those so far, but now very tempted.

 

[Dave_Snelson]

Well now...I didn't have you down as being to the right of DS's politics, but being as you are, welcome aboard. We need to swell the growing band of people who are prepared to rid this this country of the hated "political correctness" that has blighted Blighty for far too long. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[Lakesailor]

snap!

 

[DepSol]

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah, right. Not a case of you jumping in wide mouth open as usual, with no research, and no idea what you are talking about. There are a few anti Soltron threads going on which need your skills far more. I haven't commented on those so far, but now very tempted.

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I only mentioned it as you had mentioned it to a previous forumite for doing just this before, I was only kidding around as I dont take this forum as serious as you do, in fact I dont think anyone takes it as serious as you do! lol

any way in responce to your post .........."what ever"

Chill out Brendan you need to spend more time on the water not on the forum researching, it would do you good. Go on and have fun most of the guys you go drinking with have been over here at least once this year you should join them. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif