cherish your harbour master - a rant!

Triassic said:
I beg to differ. On the wages they pay you can bet they don't commute very far, or are you anti-immigration as well?
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Have you been into the pound shop on the Isle of Wight, we have a degree of benefit tourism. As well as what? Yes I do have some issues with the current immigration policies in this country but if you want to discuss that, perhaps start another thread?
 
Triassic said:
I beg to differ. On the wages they pay you can bet they don't commute very far, or are you anti-immigration as well?
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Everyone has to start somewhere, me as an ice-cream man. Starter jobs are akin to the boarding ladder of a yacht; pull them up and the youngsters stay in the water. As Mr Snail and Mr Jet have explained these jobs need punters and punters, like bees, need to be attracted by a brightly coloured flower of some description, be it an Indian, a pound shop, or a Fray Bentos Pie. Some of these businesses may be impressive sunflowers and others little poppies requiring only the odd bee to survive - why on earth should anybody's "principles" deny them this?
 
I have no wish to discuss immigration with you I'm afraid.

All I would like is to be able to sail into a long established natural harbour and anchor my vessel safely where it will not be a hazard to others, yet close enough to the town to be able to row ashore and avail myself of the local amenities. I would like to be able to do so without paying an extortionate fee to a private company none of whose facilities I would like to use. The reason I appear to be unable to do so is because the local harbour authority seem to be in bed with said company and they have effectively removed all alternatives.

If that makes me an unreasonable cheapskate then so be it. I can live with that.
 
Triassic said:
I have no wish to discuss immigration with you I'm afraid.

All I would like is to be able to sail into a long established natural harbour and anchor my vessel safely where it will not be a hazard to others, yet close enough to the town to be able to row ashore and avail myself of the local amenities. I would like to be able to do so without paying an extortionate fee to a private company none of whose facilities I would like to use. The reason I appear to be unable to do so is because the local harbour authority seem to be in bed with said company and they have effectively removed all alternatives.

If that makes me an unreasonable cheapskate then so be it. I can live with that.
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You introduced immigration and raised the question in the first place, not me

I can live with you adhering to your principles and being a cheapskate too - I don't think anyone has said you are unreasonable. It is just that justifying it on the basis of "contributing to the local economy" rather brings into question those principles.
 
l'escargot said:
You introduced immigration and raised the question in the first place, not me
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See, that is what I meant by your style of discussion. Perhaps I should ask what you meant by "they don't even seem to employ local people judging by their accents", but on second thoughts please don't answer that.

Earlier on in this thread I made to comparison to the local councils making money out of car parking. Certainly where I live they have made all on street parking anywhere within walking distance of the town "Residents only", and then doubled all the fees in the various car parks. As a result more and more people now don't bother to go into the town centre resulting in shop after shop closing down, to the point where nobody now actually wants, or needs, to go into town. Now they are busy trying to raise money to "regenerate" the town centre! Sound familiar?
 
Triassic said:
See, that is what I meant by your style of discussion. Perhaps I should ask what you meant by "they don't even seem to employ local people judging by their accents", but on second thoughts please don't answer that.

Earlier on in this thread I made to comparison to the local councils making money out of car parking. Certainly where I live they have made all on street parking anywhere within walking distance of the town "Residents only", and then doubled all the fees in the various car parks. As a result more and more people now don't bother to go into the town centre resulting in shop after shop closing down, to the point where nobody now actually wants, or needs, to go into town. Now they are busy trying to raise money to "regenerate" the town centre! Sound familiar?
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Get down off that high horse again. There isn't a lot of point asking questions on a forum if you don't want an answer.

Not at all. There is no comparison between between town centres and harbours. Anyway, this idea that people stay away from town centres because of parking charges is a myth - every town would have empty parking spaces if it was true, they don't - I bet you still have to drive around looking for a space in the town you refer you? I know I have to in every town I have ever visited that charges for parking and usually the harder the it is to find a space the more it costs. Town centre shopping is changing for much more complex reasons not least the Internet.

You can still anchor for nothing in places with no facilities but you seem to want to be near to facilities, I am afraid that involves a cost whether you choose to use them or not. Secluded anchoring is a minority interest but still there for those that really want it. It is though, a bit of a romantic notion that most people don't really want when it comes to the crunch. Hence the proliferation of marinas and improved harbour facilities. Vote with your keel if you like but don't expect the developing areas to regress.
 
Keef & prat in tow,


Who is more likely to tell it as it is, a yottie who has been told first hand about yob problems, who doesn't live there and has nothing to benefit, or a well known antagonistic poster who happens to live there and wants to make out all is sweetness and light ?

I just googled ' Newport IOW vandal ' and got loads of results, I just put up the first 3; either l'escargot is being economical with the truth or lives a remarkably sheltered life.

As I say, who seeks the benefit in trying to deny stories about yobs & boats at Newport ?

Don't say I and others didn't tell you...:rolleyes:
 
Seajet said:
Keef & prat in tow,

Who is more likely to tell it as it is, a yottie who has been told first hand about yob problems, who doesn't live there and has nothing to benefit, or a well known antagonistic poster who happens to live there and wants to make out all is sweetness and light ?

I just googled ' Newport IOW vandal ' and got loads of results, I just put up the first 3; either l'escargot is being economical with the truth or lives a remarkably sheltered life.

As I say, who seeks the benefit in trying to deny stories about yobs & boats at Newport ?

What benefit do I get from visitors. Do tell as I seem to have been missing out somewhere..

Don't say I and others didn't tell you...:rolleyes:
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Err, you didn't actually watch the video did you, it's Newport, Wales... Who feels a prat now? D:D

Now what was it you said on another thread? "...how long is this intercepeting bolleaux style of argument and insult going to be tolerated..."

Have you been drinking snowballs again with all the insults you're throwing out tonight?

As for your googling, you couldn't even find any reference to vandalism of boats in Newport harbour, it appears to be on par with your sailing skills - two of the links are about vandalism of cars and a playground in Carisbrooke and the third is to the IW councils own website with no mention of actual vandalism. :encouragement:

Have a look in the video I put up above, do you think all those boats would be kept there by locals if there was a problem with vandalism?

I googled and found a murder in Bosham, does that mean Bosham harbour is more dangerous than Newport? :eek:
 
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The point is, it took me one moment's googling to find a lot of vandalism in Newport and I only reported the first 3 of many.

For anyone in doubt about staying overnight trapped by the tide, google ' Newport IOW Vandal '

Say again that you are either blissfully unaware or seeking to minimise the problem as you live there, maybe property prices are on your mind, I did try to avoid mentioning what a hole Newport is early on on, but you have forced the issue in a rather self defeating move.


This is hardly a crusade of mine, you have made it so; I happen to have a huge amount of respect for the Isle Of Wight and all it's other residents, I've always thought it a huge waste of talent, obviously apart from yourself.
 
Seajet said:
The point is, it took me one moment's googling to find a lot of vandalism in Newport and I only reported the first 3 of many.

For anyone in doubt about staying overnight trapped by the tide, google ' Newport IOW Vandal '

Say again that you are either blissfully unaware or seeking to minimise the problem as you live there, maybe property prices are on your mind, I did try to avoid mentioning what a hole Newport is early on on, but you have forced the issue in a rather self defeating move.


This is hardly a crusade of mine, you have made it so; I happen to have a huge amount of respect for the Isle Of Wight and all it's other residents, I've always thought it a huge waste of talent, obviously apart from yourself.
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Which bit of :"...two of the links are about vandalism of cars and a playground in Carisbrooke and the third is to the IW councils own website with no mention of actual vandalism. :encouragement:..." are you struggling with? Nowhere near Newport harbour and nothing to do with boats.

Once again you've got it totally wrong, spout off endlessly about something you have absolutely no knowledge of and when caught out blubber a load of rubbish as you dig yourself further into a hole.

Property prices? You do have a knack of making yourself look foolish sometimes...
 
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l'escargot said:
Get down off that high horse again. There isn't a lot of point asking questions on a forum if you don't want an answer.

Not at all. There is no comparison between between town centres and harbours. Anyway, this idea that people stay away from town centres because of parking charges is a myth - every town would have empty parking spaces if it was true, they don't - I bet you still have to drive around looking for a space in the town you refer you? I know I have to in every town I have ever visited that charges for parking and usually the harder the it is to find a space the more it costs. Town centre shopping is changing for much more complex reasons not least the Internet.

You can still anchor for nothing in places with no facilities but you seem to want to be near to facilities, I am afraid that involves a cost whether you choose to use them or not. Secluded anchoring is a minority interest but still there for those that really want it. It is though, a bit of a romantic notion that most people don't really want when it comes to the crunch. Hence the proliferation of marinas and improved harbour facilities. Vote with your keel if you like but don't expect the developing areas to regress.
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Look, I don't know you and to be perfectly honest I don't think I want to. I joined this discussion because I have a view on the subject matter and I was interested in what others thought and being fairly new to yachting I wanted to learn a thing or two. I wasn't aware I was on my "High Horse" and I'm sorry if I appear to come across that way.

I am interested in what you have to say but not if all you are going to do is tell people they are wrong and don't know what they are talking about. I spoke about my town because as I live there I have experience of it. If you go to this link:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place...2!3m1!1s0x47dea4d4813980a7:0xde6ce8a082dcf651

it will show you the Google Maps view of Dover and you will be able to see the car parks for yourself. Off course it is entirely possible that Google took the pictures at 07:00 hours on a Sunday morning, but you can always go into Street view and get further confirmation if you want.

I personally thought my comparison with harbours and car parks was valid. After all if you park in a car park belonging to a particular shop then there is an expectation you shop there (use their facilities). If on the other hand you park in a public car park you expect to be able to choose which shops you go to. How would you feel if your local council closed all the public car parks and only left you with the private ones?
 
l'escargot said:
And I have no issue with that, I often eat on board myself, I just wouldn't go on about "contributing to the local economy" when I did so...
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Well you wouldn't be, would you? It's going ashore that contributes, and sensible places like Scotland, France and the Isle of Man realise that cheap moorings for visitors (like cheap campsites) can bring big economic benefits.
 
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