Kukri
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Marina
Marina?
Place to park a boat or a seafarer?
Marinas. And that’s pretty much what I think.
Marina
Marina?
Place to park a boat or a seafarer?
I think that you are right Tomahawk, we probably will not agree on this matter, and I am certainly not going to fall out with anyone here over it!We can agree to differ on some points..
Tis an odd thing but I never see people sailing past Morgans at low water. That is probably because looking on Google Satellite the pontoons at Underwoods are inaccessible at LW. In fact they have less tide access than the East Pontoon outside Morgans office. Therefore I find arguments about significant loss of navigation to be less than convincing.
Then we need to consider how much of what is being proposed. It is right that the present proposal will probably have an (note an) effect on navigation upriver. But I suggest we should look at how many people actually need that access. I count some 15 boats at Underwoods pontoons and 4 buoys. There are no sailing boats at S Osyth. So for the benefit of a max of bout 15 sailing boats at Underwoods some 40 boats must be denied the opportunity afforded by the Morgan Marine proposal.
What you really mean is move on. Recognise that things change & that rotten broken down structures are not what people need. Build a few much needed houses beside the water, where people can live & enjoy the place for the next 100 years. Some shops, places to service the community- doctors surgery, schools couple of small work places, better communications, internet for home working etc. Then in 100 years someone else can come along & change the place again- if they want. It is how places evolve. But try telling the died in the wool old duffers what should REALLY happen. To deny access for such things is actually quite selfish against those who might actually come & participate by setting up home there & are being stopped from doing so by the odd day trippers who are non existent in the winter. Or the green fraternity who object to the idea of change.Tiss an odd thing. People on this thread are bemoaning the loss of businesses and how things appear to be heading downhill at a rate of knots.
Yet when someone says "I will invest in the local economy, create jobs and offer people the facilities to come to a place and enjoy the water" ... why then it seems every man and his dog suddenly appears out the woodwork to object. We don't want change. Suddenly people want decay and decrepitation. Does Underwoods Boatyard full of cheap boats and a rusting hulk of some sort really offer a picture of a future to aspire to?
What you really mean is move on. Recognise that things change & that rotten broken down structures are not what people need. Build a few much needed houses beside the water, where people can live & enjoy the place for the next 100 years. Some shops, places to service the community- doctors surgery, schools couple of small work places, better communications, internet for home working etc. Then in 100 years someone else can come along & change the place again- if they want. It is how places evolve. But try telling the died in the wool old duffers what should REALLY happen. To deny access for such things is actually quite selfish against those who might actually come & participate by setting up home there & are being stopped from doing so by the odd day trippers who are non existent in the winter. Or the green fraternity who object to the idea of change.
Next stop Southwold. Brillant oportunity for a really good set of architects to come up with a total re design for the whole area.
The area behind the sea wall at Stone does have houses & they are being regularly updated, as they become old. Houses have been built on estates at Stone. I am in favourof that . Stone is no longer a decrepit ranshackle area of huts. That is progress for which I am glad.Not at all am I saying replace boatyards with houses. Houses can be built anywhere. Boatyards have to be on the waters edge where the ground is hard enough to launch. You would never have learned to sail if an architect had redeveloped the waterfront at Stone for housing . I am saying we need people to invest in boating facilities and provide for more people to be able to enjoy the water.
The population of Essex is planned to rise by some 230,000 on the present set of Local Plans. Those people have a need for recreation of all sorts. Boating is a legitimate one of them.
Local plans are one thing. Getting them past the local planning directorate is another. Then getting Boris to give the actual go ahead is the final killer. Take no notice of the headlines. Do not hold your breath.The population of Essex is planned to rise by some 230,000 on the present set of Local Plans.
Local plans are one thing. Getting them past the local planning directorate is another. Then getting Boris to give the actual go ahead is the final killer. Take no notice of the headlines. Do not hold your breath.
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I personally do not want to put my boat in a grubby old yard on poles & cans & see it surrounded by junk.. I prefer a neat yard well laid out with decent facilities, toilets, showers, eating area, parking etc. I do not want to have to navigate my car along 200 yds of pot holes to get there either.
If Burnham-on-Crouch is typical, where 2 years into the 10 year Local Development Plan consent had been granted for about 120 percent of the total of dwellings planned for 10 years, the much vaunted plans are a complete waste of time and energy.
Frankly, this is yet another example of the problems arising from the over success of human reproduction.
Peter.
I am hopeless at teaching sailing. Not only do I have my own ways of doing things but being very hands-on I find it hard to think myself into the position of the person at the helm without the tiller, or wheel, in my hand. I suppose that I learned on lugs'l dinghies on the Broads, but then moved on to Cadets at school and my father's, ie my, Firefly.
I agree that the Cadet is a great teaching aid, as well as being fun to sail, though I found it a bit tame after I acquired the Firefly. Its inherent instability gives it the advantage of, say, the Mirror. I am still uncertain about the relative merits of organised tuition vs the 'if not duffers won't drown' approaches. I would like to think that there is a place for both, though the discipline of racing is surely indispensible as the way to fine one's skills.
Jeez! You just don't get it do you?Sadly some commentators above think in terms of "undoubted lining of the pockets of the Morgan Marine directors". Why shouldn't they get a return for their money? Is making a profit so bad?
I think that you are right Tomahawk, we probably will not agree on this matter, and I am certainly not going to fall out with anyone here over it!
You are of course correct in saying that at Low Water springs there is no more than a shallow ditch up past Morgans, in fact it is difficult for anything other than a rowing dinghy to get beyond the swinging point on the wharf under such conditions. However just before and after LW neaps it is possible apparently to leave the swinging moorings in a centreboarder at Underwroods Hard. Saying there are "No Sailing Boats at St Osyth" is ever so slightly wrong, as St Osyth is the home berth of the engineless sailing barge 'Edme'. Whenever 'Edme' leaves her berth, she has to be tugged down from St Osyth, her only exit being across the Folly and down the North channel. The fact that she has to be brought down by tug means that she will require a reasonable amount of sea room if there is any South in the wind. The proposed positioning of the pontoons, as was demonstrated on Monday, means that it would become very difficult to manoeuvre her past this bottleneck.
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Jeez! You just don't get it do you?
What gives the Directors of ANY firm the right to place an obstruction on what is effectively Crown Estates Property for the sole benefit of their patrons and to the absolute detriment of everyone else...which is essentially what Morgan Marine are proposing with their current plan.
As I have said before and I will say again in the vain hope that you will see where the majority of Brightlingsea LOCALS are coming from:
No one has any objection to Morgans extending their available berths inside the plan they had original approval for. This plan took berths to the west of their current base with pontoons extending to MLWS and NO FURTHER.
The objection that LOCALS have is about essentially blocking half the river so Morgans can squeeze a few more boats in.
My final comment on the matter is "If you want a Marina berth with all tide access, then Brightlingsea is probably not going to be a viable option...I suggest that you try the Orwell, the Crouch or Bradwell where such facilities already exist for those who enjoy walking ashore!"
Nuff said!