Chandlers life’s threaten

grumpy_o_g said:
You're fixated on recovering the two hostages - I see the aim as preventing piracy.
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Preventing kidnapping is easy - just don't pay the ransom.

You simply don't need to shoot the hostages yourself.

Of course where a rescue is possible without killing the hostages that's the best outcome, but it's very rare. (In fact can you name some hostage situations resolved with violence where no hostages were killed? I'm struggling - against that I can think of plenty where hostages and recuers have been killed.)
 
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"the only people we hate more than the Romans are the Judaen People's front"

"yeah"

"and the Peoples Front of Judea splitters"

"We're the People Front of Judea"

"Right let's call a meeting"
 
Having just watched the video http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/british+kidnap+couple+make+video+plea/3431197 and seen Mrs Chandler with two AK47's and an RPG launcher six inches from her head £100 from me too.

Rightly or wrongly.

I agree ransoms should not be paid, but in this case as a fellow long distance cruiser who has been helped so much by other cruisers when in need - I want to do something , even if it is against the grain and probably futile.

I'm not interested in joining any debate or bickering on this, and frankly considering the hell those two sailors are going through some of the bickering on here is a disgrace.

Get them free, then go and bomb the **** out of the AK47 mob.


That video and this report http://www.noonsite.com/Members/sue/R2009-11-20-2 have made me reluctantly re-think my Pacific then home via the Red Sea plans for now.

Good luck Mr and Mrs Chandler, your fellow sailors are thinking of you.
 
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I hadn't seen that video (posted by Jonic above) before - words fail me.
I cannot imagine what these poor folk are going through.
I endorse everything Jon says.
Maybe if the Chandler-nappers were offered say a token amount (5k? 10k?) for their release they might realise that anything is better than nothing? The Nappers could release the Chandlers and then they wouldnt 'lose face' as such amongst their peers, which is probably one of their main concerns.
 
Bajansailor said:
I hadn't seen that video (psted by Jonic above) before - words fail me. I cannot imagine what these poor folk are going through.
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Of course, the kidnappers released that video in the hope of provoking exactly that reaction.

Which isn't to say they aren't suffering, just that we should avoid emotional reactions based purely on what the kidnappers are telling us.

How will it play out? I supect that it'll drop out of the media eye and the ransom will drop and drop to a point where the Chandlers get freed and the kidnappers don't perceive yachts as a worthwhile target any more.
 
toad oftoadhall

Toad you and other member who keep making the point that sooner or later the pirates will give up and let the chandler go if we don’t negotiate with them mite be right , they mite decided they these couple are not worth much , that the British government aren’t interested and they may just drop the price or even let them go .

But have any one given it a thought that they may decided that if the couple are so worthless that that mite pass them on to some fundamental terrorists group with their only agenda which money isn’t part off . Then what guys ????? I really hope there a good ending to this very shortly
 
Strange that whilst the ransom payers have been mentioned on here, I see no mention of the French, who did mount a rescue. Two hostages were saved, one was killed in the crossfire, and some pirates killed. Sad that one hostage died, but it was a far better way to deal with these situations than paying ransoms. The real problem here is the multi-millions paid for commercial ships. If the world wants to end the problem, then payments have to stop totally. I suggest that the UK needs to get together with the other naval powers there and announce that the next time a ransom is paid for release of a ship, the first naval vessel on the scene will sink it, regardless of casualties. In addition a pro-active policy of sinking any boat used by potential pirates, including the so-called mother ships, needs to be adopted. After that no more ransoms will be paid, and the pirates will get the message.
 
sailaboutvic said:
But have any one given it a thought that they may decided that if the couple are so worthless that that mite pass them on to some fundamental terrorists group with their only agenda which money isn’t part off . Then what guys ????? I really hope there a good ending to this very shortly
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Yup, the Kidnappers have made this claim that they will change the way the usually operate and hand over the Chandlers to an Islamic group.

If they do change tactics and hostages are killed or handed to people who will kill them then tactics will change dramatically to reflect the fact that hostages can no longer be considered relatively safe in captivity.

The last thing the kidnappers want is that change in tactics, so hopefully their claim is just a ploy to hurry up and increase any ransom.
 
Off topic a bit -------- Can anyone explain why the Chandlers sailed into an area where they were warned not to go because of the strong likelyhood of piracy???? They must have done a risk assessment and realised that they probably would be held captive and possibly killed if boarded and made a decision with that knowledge. They got it wrong . They had a choice and now have to pay the price. Why expect others to bail them out ??
 
toad_oftoadhall said:
To be fair to them we don't know that they expect other's to bail them out.

The only communication we have from them is what the kidnappers want us to hear.

That's always going to be "send money fast we're in immediate danger".
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Sorry toady I didn't mean the Chandlers I meant other posters . Cheers .
 
toad_oftoadhall said:
Whoops, my mistake! Sorry!
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No, no I insist its MY mistake !!
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clyst said:
Off topic a bit -------- Can anyone explain why the Chandlers sailed into an area where they were warned not to go because of the strong likelyhood of piracy???? They must have done a risk assessment and realised that they probably would be held captive and possibly killed if boarded and made a decision with that knowledge. They got it wrong . They had a choice and now have to pay the price. Why expect others to bail them out ??
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I'd still like to know if they had their "Sea Me" switched on ,giving them a big ship signature.
Could explain how the pirates AND the RFA found them-----it's a big ocean out there.
 
Well that was nice of the navy to do that for them. I wonder what they'll charge for the transportation, or do salvage rules apply?
 
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