[70521]
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Then why are the CG say it is closing down?
CG66 scheme closing down?
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Then why are the CG say it is closing down?
pandroid
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Praxinoscope
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Just an idle thought, but I wonder what percentage of those of out on the sea actually use CG66?
oldmanofthehills
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Well its confusing, having just and I mean just registered a new boat I have received no message saying ChG66 was closing down. Safetrx is an app, not a database and not much use on my desktop PC. I suspect CG are trying to worm out of responsibility for safety but we will have a period when both systems are in use after which the cheapest or worst system will prevail
Angele
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.... Presumably before 4 July when some (not me!) received the email from the MCA. If you try to access the relevant webpage now it just tells you about SafeTrx and the login page has vanished.
I didn't get an email from the MCA. I looked back at the emails of my correspondence with the scheme administrators. I last updated my details at the end of 2013. Their response to me said that they would email me again two years later to ask me to update, which they never did. Since the two year cut off has passed, I assume that is why I didn't get the email on (or around) 4 July.
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oldmanofthehills
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Indeed CG66 has evaporated when I just tried it, I was over optimistic about the rate of decay and decline. Registered with safetrx anyway but all my eprib and plb details are on CG66 so cant complete safetrx form till I get back to boat. Drat
RobbieW
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There is a webpage, https://safetrx.rya.org.uk/, which I found much easier to use than the app. My understanding, based on posts in a thread about SafeTrx I started earlier in the year - https://forums-secure.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?497829-SafeTrx-from-the-RYA, is that the foundation of the system is a server based database which is updated from the app or webpage.
The underlying system can be accessed in the same way as the CG66 database would have been by the CG to aid in indentification is my understanding. SafeTrx automates some of the passage reporting that might have been done using VHF but I have long had the understanding that the CG didnt use passage reports to instigate SAR for overdue vesssels.
RAP77
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Its useless to me, it wont work on may old iPhone 4s
Lousy programming!
Lousy programming!
Lucky Duck
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Just use the web page link on the rya website, this enables you to input all the details previously held on the CG66 system.
[70521]
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But you can use the RYA web page to store the same data as the old CG 66 form.
Just don't use the passage bit, I'm not planning to.
As a general comment there is a lot of misunderstanding going on. The RYA and the CG need to simplify their comma and get the message out.
bitbaltic
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I think if the coastguard were taking the whole thing seriously, CG66 wouldn’t’ve Been a basket case website from the dawn of the internet up to 2018 (photo system never, ever worked) and not would they outsource it to another body with an app for multiple purposes (recording boat data and recording passage plans are pretty independent) now. Safetrx has always seemed a bit nebulous to me. I will register the boat’s details in it next time I am there with PLB numbers and so on, but my faith that any SAR asset will put out with any info about the boat when I call in my MMSI was, and remains, pretty low.
ctva
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Just been through the whole app and web site and I can find nothing about deleting your account and clearing all your info from their system. Any ideas?
Reason being overly complex, non intuitive and tbh looks cr4p. Also, where we go phone signal, while not bad has a lot of holes. I’ll rely on my VHF, PLB, phone, flares, burning barrel of tar etc..
Reason being overly complex, non intuitive and tbh looks cr4p. Also, where we go phone signal, while not bad has a lot of holes. I’ll rely on my VHF, PLB, phone, flares, burning barrel of tar etc..
ShinyShoe
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Or they accepted that their current platform wasn't fit for purpose. Probably involved crazy sh17 like manually transcribing from the submission form into another form... because thats what they do with PLBs.
Safetrx is used in other countries.
It might just be possible to have the better system and it be cheaper than the CG replacing their current junk!
There seems to be several confused people:
- CG66 was a vessel identification system. Used in the event of a need to know what your boat looked like or to identify its owner from the boat if the boat is found sans owner.
- Passage Reporting via VHF - still exists. To keep your passage report short, people would generally say "This is Yacht Sticky Bottom, I am sailing with 2 crew from Portsmouth to Southampton* I am CG 66 registered." otherwise the CG then went through how many sails, what colour, what colour antifouling did you last paint her with etc. *perhaps a slightly more adventurous ;-) When they don't make it to Southampton the CG does nothing. When a relative phones and reports them overdue they CG check their log and piece together that the boat wasn't sailing from Southampton to Portsmouth like the relative thinks etc.
- Safetrx is BOTH. But can be used for 1 or other or both. It only contacts the shore contact if you are overdue. If the shore contact is in a flap they only need to tell the CG there is a problem and it is available for the CG to see. There are issues with connectivity at sea. But no worse than relying on a person without the app...
Do you actually want to delete ALL the info? The passage plan - just don't populate a new passage plan.
The vessel details part. If you go on the website. Click "Vessels & checklists" and click the pen next to the vessel to delete, then scroll to the bottom there is a delete button.
Same for emergency contacts.
If you wanted to delete your account (not sure why - if there is no boat!) contact: dpo@rya.org.uk
LittleSister
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That's a relief. I crewed for someone who filed a passage plan to the Netherlands, but never reported our arrival. Its troubled me ever since that the CG might be searching for us because we're 33 years overdue.
pandroid
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The CG66 scheme allows you to register info such as your liferaft details. Is the CG66 info transferred or only if you enter it all again? I don't recall providing consent that my info would be visible to the RYA (or, for that matter, SafeTRX).
I note that you still have to register EPIRBs through a government website and Radio details through Ofcom. What a mess.
I note that you still have to register EPIRBs through a government website and Radio details through Ofcom. What a mess.
Plum
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The SafeTRX is better than the CG66 system (which did a good job) because:
1) it integrates passage recording, although if this is not for you don't use this function
2) there is no reason to criticize it as the developers are easy to contact, they listen and are willing to change the system based on user experience (they fixed a problem i raised within a week)
Www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk
1) it integrates passage recording, although if this is not for you don't use this function
2) there is no reason to criticize it as the developers are easy to contact, they listen and are willing to change the system based on user experience (they fixed a problem i raised within a week)
Www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk
[70521]
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Why is this a mess? The CG are not responsible for the radio spectrum that is Ofcom.
pandroid
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[70521]
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Forgive me but I have been following the whole story for some time and are fully aware of how things are registered and the compliance framework they work in.
Ofcom are responsible for issuing you a ships licence including the EPIRB details, the CG need to know who us using the thing and who to contact then the device shouts for help as Ofcom don't have the facilities to start a search and rescue operation. Simples.
oldmanofthehills
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Its a mess because we have to enter the same info repeatedly. Surely the lack of joined up agencies or lack of shared information between agencies represents a sector in mild chaos. Thanks to CG66 shutting down I have had to contact Offcom, then deal separately with EPRB, then contact CG then Safetrx, not to mention SSR. By comparison, for my wife's car it was just the DVLA for vehicle and DVLA for herself.
Logically boat should be registered (Combined CG/SSR say, then Ofcom for new radio should simply link to already registered boat in CG/SSR, and MMNSI should autolink back to CG/SSR. I'm not saying its easy but off loading responsibility onto Safetrx is a sloping shoulders approach to governance
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