brianrunyard
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Re: CG \'RIB\'- Dangerous Lack of Consideration
Answering an emergency is no excuse for causing another.
Answering an emergency is no excuse for causing another.
CG 'RIB'- Dangerous Lack of Consideration
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alldownwind
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Re: CG \'RIB\'- Dangerous Lack of Consideration
Quote: Section 87 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 exempts drivers of vehicles used for fire brigade, ambulance or police purposes from speed limits in an emergency. The Zebra, Pelican and Puffin Pedestrian Crossings Regulations 1997 give qualified exemptions from signals at puffin and pelican crossings to vehicles used for fire brigade, ambulance, national blood service and police purposes, and the Traffic Signs Regulations 2002 give similar qualified exemptions from other red light signals and keep right/left arrows to vehicles being used for fire brigade, ambulance, bomb or explosive disposal, national blood service or police purposes.
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I am a coastguard and I can assure you that the exemptions above do not include HM Coastguard. If you call us out, I'm afraid that we have to stay completely within the law like any other normal driver. We have blues and twos but only to help 'ease our way through traffic'. It's embarrassing sometimes, on the motorway, blues going, and everyone overtaking us....!
Quote: Section 87 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 exempts drivers of vehicles used for fire brigade, ambulance or police purposes from speed limits in an emergency. The Zebra, Pelican and Puffin Pedestrian Crossings Regulations 1997 give qualified exemptions from signals at puffin and pelican crossings to vehicles used for fire brigade, ambulance, national blood service and police purposes, and the Traffic Signs Regulations 2002 give similar qualified exemptions from other red light signals and keep right/left arrows to vehicles being used for fire brigade, ambulance, bomb or explosive disposal, national blood service or police purposes.
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I am a coastguard and I can assure you that the exemptions above do not include HM Coastguard. If you call us out, I'm afraid that we have to stay completely within the law like any other normal driver. We have blues and twos but only to help 'ease our way through traffic'. It's embarrassing sometimes, on the motorway, blues going, and everyone overtaking us....!
PilotWolf
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Re: CG \'RIB\'- Dangerous Lack of Consideration
I actually did say that in an earlier post... trouble is the MOP don't know that - if they actually see/hear you then all they ll see and react to is the blue lights/siren.
PW
I actually did say that in an earlier post... trouble is the MOP don't know that - if they actually see/hear you then all they ll see and react to is the blue lights/siren.
PW
alldownwind
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Re: CG \'RIB\'- Dangerous Lack of Consideration
Sorry, missed that, speed-reading again..... you're right of course, other drivers do (generally) react and help, but it's a real problem when you know the call is to something reported as life-threatening and yet we're not trained nor allowed to use the same driving techniques as police, ambulance etc.
This bloke on the Osprey was still being a naughty boy though.
Sorry, missed that, speed-reading again..... you're right of course, other drivers do (generally) react and help, but it's a real problem when you know the call is to something reported as life-threatening and yet we're not trained nor allowed to use the same driving techniques as police, ambulance etc.
This bloke on the Osprey was still being a naughty boy though.
PilotWolf
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Re: CG \'RIB\'- Dangerous Lack of Consideration
No prob - gets like that when threads get so long..
Maybe you re in a position to 'draw attention' to his behaviour?
W.
No prob - gets like that when threads get so long..
Maybe you re in a position to 'draw attention' to his behaviour?
W.
yindoor2
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Re: CG \'RIB\'- Dangerous Lack of Consideration
im afraid that you are wrong. The CG boats can be used in an emergency and I have seen one in the Clyde do just that. They were directed to a small rib that threw two people out. The CG boat was the first on scene and managed to drag thim on board and safety.
im afraid that you are wrong. The CG boats can be used in an emergency and I have seen one in the Clyde do just that. They were directed to a small rib that threw two people out. The CG boat was the first on scene and managed to drag thim on board and safety.
yindoor2
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Re: CG \'RIB\'- Dangerous Lack of Consideration
well said tisme
well said tisme
duncan
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Re: CG \'RIB\'- Dangerous Lack of Consideration
yindoor - they are discussing CG vehicles (on the road) in the context of exemptions not boats.
where water is subject to an Authority it is normal to get specific permission from that authority, and the requirement to proceed with due caution is explicit in all the cases I have heard or been involved in.
And any boat can be used in an emergency - example ;as a private boat attending a boat with a suspected engine fire I have been given permission to exceed a harbour limit (with due caution) by the harbour authority.
yindoor - they are discussing CG vehicles (on the road) in the context of exemptions not boats.
where water is subject to an Authority it is normal to get specific permission from that authority, and the requirement to proceed with due caution is explicit in all the cases I have heard or been involved in.
And any boat can be used in an emergency - example ;as a private boat attending a boat with a suspected engine fire I have been given permission to exceed a harbour limit (with due caution) by the harbour authority.
PilotWolf
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Re: CG \'RIB\'- Dangerous Lack of Consideration
And in that situation would they be any different to any vessel in the area that would also be obliged to attend a vessel or person in distress?
PW
And in that situation would they be any different to any vessel in the area that would also be obliged to attend a vessel or person in distress?
PW
alant
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Re: CG \'RIB\'- Dangerous Lack of Consideration
They are sometimes used in an emergency. So what?
Create another , when responding to the first?
Even 'if' using '2's n blues', which incidentally the RIB in question wasn't, by their own CG rules, they are still not allowed to hazard other seafarers.
The CG/MCA spend vast resources emphasising 'care & consideration' to others & then behave in an un-seamanlike manner themselves.
If this had been a Sunseeker/PWC/other stinkboat, or if the dinghy occupants had been tipped MOB, would attitudes still be the same?
They are sometimes used in an emergency. So what?
Create another , when responding to the first?
Even 'if' using '2's n blues', which incidentally the RIB in question wasn't, by their own CG rules, they are still not allowed to hazard other seafarers.
The CG/MCA spend vast resources emphasising 'care & consideration' to others & then behave in an un-seamanlike manner themselves.
If this had been a Sunseeker/PWC/other stinkboat, or if the dinghy occupants had been tipped MOB, would attitudes still be the same?