jdc
Well-Known Member
physical model versus efficient computation?
You've clearly gone into this in much greater detail than I, but I _think_ there's a difference between what I was describing, ie modeling the motions of the planets and moon using Newton's (or Keppler's) laws and the method you describe above, which looks to be using polynomial or harmonic series to make an arbitrarily close approximation, but isn't a physical model per-se.
The latter seems to me to have a few disadvantages: it's is only useful if the coefficients have been derived first and it's no good at getting an understanding of the magnitude or source of perturbations - at least they are not explicit. However I admit it has one huge advantage: it's much more computationally efficient provided you know the coefficients. Do you know how Van Flandern and Pulkkinen's derived them?
I have to admit my interest is a kind of pig-headed attempt at self sufficiency: my 'project' is to see what I could predict for the year to come based solely on observations I could, in principle at least, make by myself with only a watch and a telescope or sextant.
...All of the methods can be made less accurate by reducing the number of periodic terms used, or by reducing the number of significant digits used at each calculation stage.
Van Flandern and Pulkkinen's process used about 45 periodic terms for the Sun (Earth) position to give accuracy of about 0.02°. They use this method because it is the same method used for the Moon and other planets which required a (fairly) similar number of terms. I'm not aware of any update done to their work, or corrected figures....
L0 = 280.46646 + 36000.76983T + 0.0003032T^2
M = 357.52911 + 35999.05029T - 0.0001537T^2
e = 0.016708634 - 0.000042037T - 0.0000001267T^2
C = (1.914602 - 0.004817T - 0.000014T^2)sin(M) + (0.019993 - 0.000101T)sin(2M) + 0.000289sin(3M)
R = 1.000001018(1-e^2)/(1+e.cos(M+C))
O = L0 + C
L = O - 0.00569 - 0.00478sin(125.04 - 1934.136T)
p = 23°26'21".448 - 46".8150T - 0".00029T^2 + 0".001813T^3
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You've clearly gone into this in much greater detail than I, but I _think_ there's a difference between what I was describing, ie modeling the motions of the planets and moon using Newton's (or Keppler's) laws and the method you describe above, which looks to be using polynomial or harmonic series to make an arbitrarily close approximation, but isn't a physical model per-se.
The latter seems to me to have a few disadvantages: it's is only useful if the coefficients have been derived first and it's no good at getting an understanding of the magnitude or source of perturbations - at least they are not explicit. However I admit it has one huge advantage: it's much more computationally efficient provided you know the coefficients. Do you know how Van Flandern and Pulkkinen's derived them?
I have to admit my interest is a kind of pig-headed attempt at self sufficiency: my 'project' is to see what I could predict for the year to come based solely on observations I could, in principle at least, make by myself with only a watch and a telescope or sextant.