Bouba
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It’s not good….and in sharp contrast to a conversation I had with ChatGTP yesterday…I found her voice comforting, warm and her advice uplifting and reassuring….she answered my fears and convinced me to carry on
Celebrity Apex…..cruise ship
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RunAgroundHard
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A rough calculation, ignoring travel to / from the vessel / holiday destination suggests on a 5000 passenger vessel the fuel per passenger for a 7 day cruise is around 0.35 tones / per passenger, compared to 0.11 tones per passenger for a family of 4 (obviously worse if you are a single traveller) if you use a small car tankful every day on a family holiday, which also excludes eating and accommodation fuel costs. A resort holiday, and public transport reduces that figure even less.
Cruise ships currently enjoy significant freedom from NOX emissions controls outside the USA and the Baltic states. The Caribbean and the Mediterranean (and UK) do not have NOX control zones in place. Where I sail, WCoS, the cruise liners leave a trail of brown, yellow haze behind them. Tourism is bad for the environment, it contributes to the unfolding environmental catastrophe by flying huge amounts of people around the globe to holiday, or ship them by the thousands around various ports. There is a desperate need for alternative energy sources that are not polluting, and a whole load of other shit that needs sorted caused by mass tourism.
I don't subscribe to banning tourism or curtailing it, but do subscribe to changing the energy source and making the consumer pay.
ProDave
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The Ascent that I was on just over a week ago is clearly a more modern ship and it has scrubbers on the exhaust and what comes out of the chimneys is a white vapour, mainly steam.
The cost of a cruise was not astronomical. Calculate it on the basis you got 7 nights accommodation. most food and drink included and a choice of 23 places to eat or drink on the ship, then it is little different from staying in a basic hotel on land and going for a meal every night. The ship did not feel crowded, in spite of the number of passengers (and crew at a ratio of roughly one crew for every 2 pax) it is large enough to disperse then. And embarking and disembarking was a lot less of a scrum than I expected as well.
We took this cruise as our first big retirement holiday to see if we liked it, and we both agree we did very much and have booked another for next year.
capnsensible
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From what I saw in hundreds of transits across the English Channel and the Straits of Gibraltar, cruise Ships are way down the list of polluters compared to tankers and bulkers. I understand big strides are being made in exhaust scrubbers. A guy who used to post on here talked about it a fair bit from an insider view as a fleet manager. Very informative guy.
LittleSister
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I think the cruise ship industry does a fine job of keeping hordes of old biddies and duffers off the streets of our regular towns and cities. 
Much more efficient in that regard than yachting.
Much more efficient in that regard than yachting.
Bodach na mara
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Re weather, I was reading that it is unseasonably cold in Iberia just now, due to the passage of a weather system that dumped snow on Tenerife and Grand Canaria!
And don't knock cruising until you have tried it. When I retired I told my wife that I fancied a cruise, to which she replied that, while she also fancied one she thought that I would be driven mad if I were not in charge of the boat. So we went, at Easter in 2007, and loved it. Except in my case that I was a bit peeved at having to dress up for dinner, especially on formal nights. However I loved the relaxation and the food and came back over a stone heavier than I went. Which pleased me as I am on of these odd people who cannot put on weight. We have been for many cruises since and would probably have one booked now but the travel insurance costs almost more than the cruise.
And don't knock cruising until you have tried it. When I retired I told my wife that I fancied a cruise, to which she replied that, while she also fancied one she thought that I would be driven mad if I were not in charge of the boat. So we went, at Easter in 2007, and loved it. Except in my case that I was a bit peeved at having to dress up for dinner, especially on formal nights. However I loved the relaxation and the food and came back over a stone heavier than I went. Which pleased me as I am on of these odd people who cannot put on weight. We have been for many cruises since and would probably have one booked now but the travel insurance costs almost more than the cruise.
ProDave
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Speaking as someone who hated wearing a tie at work, I quite enjoyed putting one on and wearing a jacket to dinner on those nights.
Wansworth
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Are we loosing you to chat Gtp……..like a adolescent forgets his friends to snog with his new found gf
Bouba
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capnsensible
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Do you know that the chatgtp site uses absolutely masses of electrical power? A certain yarpie is in trouble coz he built a lot of generators without planning permission.
capnsensible
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Sadly, I've been reading that the selfish bad behaviour that permeates modern society is spreading ever onwards from the regular and increasing issues on airlines to cruise ship passenger behaviour.
I have no answer.
And I can't post a link, sorry. Forum rules.
I have no answer.
And I can't post a link, sorry. Forum rules.
Poignard
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I used to be an engineer officer on a cruise ship, one of Fred Olsen's.
I wouldn't fancy going as a paying passenger on one, but if that's what people want to spend their money on, good luck to them.
At least they're creating employment for naval architects, shipbuilders, crews, tour guides, etc.
I wouldn't fancy going as a paying passenger on one, but if that's what people want to spend their money on, good luck to them.
At least they're creating employment for naval architects, shipbuilders, crews, tour guides, etc.
Bouba
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Would you go if they let you play with the genies ?
ashtead
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I saw a Fred Olsen leaving Las Palmas but it was a ferry I believe - the trouble with all these cruise ships of the TUI type is the number of passengers they disgorge into a small island Bequia is really peaceful until the TUI day. It’s not much betterinAntigua either even with it’s cruise ship zone.
Bouba
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Cruise passengers get a lot of stick….but I think the problem is the guides…when you are following a tourist guide you don’t have time to stop for an ice-cream or souvenir
Unless it’s one of those guides who’s done a deal with a local trader
Unless it’s one of those guides who’s done a deal with a local trader
Wansworth
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With no experience of these cruise ships I think the ship it could be ok.I imagine being on the deck of that ship leaving last night,that could be great.I think either Icould stay aboard or slip out quietly on my own and miss the masses flocking to buy Chinese tat!
Poignard
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Well, I wouldn't mind sitting in the control room issuing orders, but I think my days of climbing inside crankcases are over!
Fr J Hackett
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Surely you could wander around the engine room with an oily rag berating the 2nd and 3rd engineers.Well, I wouldn't mind sitting in the control room issuing orders, but I think my days of climbing inside crankcases are over!
Fr J Hackett
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Surely you could wander around the engine room with an oily rag berating the 2nd and 3rd engineers.Well, I wouldn't mind sitting in the control room issuing orders, but I think my days of climbing inside crankcases are over!
Laser310
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I was recently in Guadeloupe, and cruised to Les Iles des Saintes, which are quite small islands/
this smaller cruise ship anchored there for a day. I googled it - it is operated by the Ritz Carlton hotel chain. They call it a "yacht".
It's a 240 or so passenger ship, so small by cruise ship standards
The Ritz-Carlton Yacht Collection
this smaller cruise ship anchored there for a day. I googled it - it is operated by the Ritz Carlton hotel chain. They call it a "yacht".
It's a 240 or so passenger ship, so small by cruise ship standards
The Ritz-Carlton Yacht Collection
