Tremlett 15
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Is there any way to check if a USA boat ( Bayliner ) has a CE cert / marking ? The boat does not have any CE papers or plates but my mate has been told it has a CE cert etc, how can he trace or check this ?
CE cert & markings
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GSL
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Where is the boat now? USA or UK?
Graham
Graham
Tremlett 15
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in the UK ( Northern Ireland ) & it came over from England.
Bilgediver
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To meet the requirements of RCD the boat should have a plate on it giving the RCD class and relevant HIN (hull identification number). There is no certificate I believe. Also there is a requirement for a fully documented operations manual for the boat. Without these it does not meet RCD.
Bayliner may build all their boats to a standard accepted by CE however the USA delivered boats will be fitted out with USA accessories relating to electrical items and gas systems and particularly the latter though of equal or better quality than ours will not be acceptable to Mr Macrcd Jobsworth.
nonitoo
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On my Bayliner there is a small plate (in my case near the helmsman's seat) showing the CE symbol, Cat type (B) and max number of persons (10) to be carried.
Tom
Tom
Whitelighter
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There should also be a certificate of conformity in addition to the correctly identified items above - CE Plate, HIN and Technical File.
With boats built to comply with CE requirements, the CoC is often combined with the builders certificate into one document. This should have the RCD Catagory on it, plus a statement that the vessel has been built in accordance with the regualtions, or words to that effect.
With boats built to comply with CE requirements, the CoC is often combined with the builders certificate into one document. This should have the RCD Catagory on it, plus a statement that the vessel has been built in accordance with the regualtions, or words to that effect.
GSL
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The above replies pretty much cover it.
There should be a plate near the helm that details the CE Marking, Catagory, number of people etc.
I would suggest that if this is not present, boat has not been CE Plated since its arrival from USA. Be very aware of the implications of even "puting into service" this boat. It is a CRIMINAL offense to do this without CE Plating.
Graham
There should be a plate near the helm that details the CE Marking, Catagory, number of people etc.
I would suggest that if this is not present, boat has not been CE Plated since its arrival from USA. Be very aware of the implications of even "puting into service" this boat. It is a CRIMINAL offense to do this without CE Plating.
Graham
andyc
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It shouldnt be too difficult to get it CE marked though, as I would imagine the specific model has been ce marked if it were sold new in the eu.
I used a company in kent to do mine as it is about the only one over here so no one has done one before.
Boat already had a manual full of manufacturers booklets,so that covered the technical file.
Only a couple of things needed changing.Mainly stopcocks were required on all the through hull outlets.(waste of time!)
Only got cat c as cat b needed stability data that was unavailable and would be costly to do.Didnt effect insurance and the boat certainly takes the rough.
It has the us coast guard rating plate thingy, for the US so is safe as houses.
I used a company in kent to do mine as it is about the only one over here so no one has done one before.
Boat already had a manual full of manufacturers booklets,so that covered the technical file.
Only a couple of things needed changing.Mainly stopcocks were required on all the through hull outlets.(waste of time!)
Only got cat c as cat b needed stability data that was unavailable and would be costly to do.Didnt effect insurance and the boat certainly takes the rough.
It has the us coast guard rating plate thingy, for the US so is safe as houses.
carlton
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I believe boats imported pre. 1998 are exempt...
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Get good advice and do your homework. Answer the following questions:
Does the boat already have CE Marking? (It only ever needs doing once or when re-engined).
Is the boat less than 8ft (2.5m) long?
Is the boat designed and used exclusively for racing?
Is the boat a hydrofoil, submarine or a hovercraft?
Is the boat a one-off or individual replica designed before 1950?
Was the boat in the EU / EEA before 16th June 1998?
If the answer to all the above questions is "No" you need CE Marking. You can see that the age of the boat is only relevant if it was designed before 1950. Any other advice is not accurate.
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From this company's website - who specialise in C.E. marking.
http://www.ceproof.com/Marine/asb.htm
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Get good advice and do your homework. Answer the following questions:
Does the boat already have CE Marking? (It only ever needs doing once or when re-engined).
Is the boat less than 8ft (2.5m) long?
Is the boat designed and used exclusively for racing?
Is the boat a hydrofoil, submarine or a hovercraft?
Is the boat a one-off or individual replica designed before 1950?
Was the boat in the EU / EEA before 16th June 1998?
If the answer to all the above questions is "No" you need CE Marking. You can see that the age of the boat is only relevant if it was designed before 1950. Any other advice is not accurate.
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From this company's website - who specialise in C.E. marking.
http://www.ceproof.com/Marine/asb.htm
EugeneR
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You can get a list of parts required to make a Bayliner CE compliant on their website. Go to www.baylinercustomercare.com and select parts catalog, select the year and model, and check the "options" list.
Probably the most expensive is the fire prevention system in the engine bay, so if that is not there and given the "missing" plate, it probably has not been certified.
You can also check with the relevant notification bodies responsible for CE certification e.g. RYA, HPi (used by CE Proof) and some others - Google will reveal them all!
Note that different bodies have different requirements e.g. CE Proof / HPi does not need the 2nd rail on the front but may need more stop-cocks on above-water outlets, etc.
Hope this helps
ian38_39
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The over riding factor in all of this is that it is illegal to sell a boat in the UK that does not have CE marking if it was manufactured or imported into the UK after July 1997.
May prove interesting in proving title if you have not legally bought it.
May prove interesting in proving title if you have not legally bought it.
mainshiptom
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I have bought and sold a boat without CE markings !
There was no problems in any of transactions!
The bank did not care or even the brokers,
Tom
There was no problems in any of transactions!
The bank did not care or even the brokers,
Tom
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If it fell into the criteria that it needed a CE mark then they should have done as everyone involved in the transaction was breaking the law.
EugeneR
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Of course, without knowing more details, I cannot comment on your experiences. However, I know from experience that where CE is required, brokers like Ancasta will normally ask to see proof of certification before putting the boat on their books.
ANY responsible broker will need proof of certification.
Thumbpilot
New Member
Hi Tremlett,
I'm in the process of buying at the moment and looked at the perfect Bayliner too.
While she seemed ideal in every way the missing piece was the CE certification.
The owner assumed she was certified but there was no European plate, only the US Coastguard plate. Other tell tale signs were the fuel filler had "Gas" and not "Petrol" (this is changed as part of the process). No engine bay automatic fire extinguiser system and an the fuel tank was not up to the European spec either.
I saw a quote of EUR 2,500 +VAT to certify her (excluding the parts and fitting of parts to bring her up to the standard). The extras could work out quite expensive when you add a fuel tank, fire system and the other changes required. How shore power is handled may be of concern too.
Suddenly she was no longer a bargain!!
A fully legal boat will have the plate, usually near the helm, if no plate, factor in the work required or walk away.
I'm in the process of buying at the moment and looked at the perfect Bayliner too.
While she seemed ideal in every way the missing piece was the CE certification.
The owner assumed she was certified but there was no European plate, only the US Coastguard plate. Other tell tale signs were the fuel filler had "Gas" and not "Petrol" (this is changed as part of the process). No engine bay automatic fire extinguiser system and an the fuel tank was not up to the European spec either.
I saw a quote of EUR 2,500 +VAT to certify her (excluding the parts and fitting of parts to bring her up to the standard). The extras could work out quite expensive when you add a fuel tank, fire system and the other changes required. How shore power is handled may be of concern too.
Suddenly she was no longer a bargain!!
A fully legal boat will have the plate, usually near the helm, if no plate, factor in the work required or walk away.
GrahamHR
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My officially imported US Sportsboat is CE marked but the fuel filler cap says Gas; I've never been tempted to put LPG in it ! All the fuel hoses are CE marked as well as USCG marked. The plastic fuel tank is the same as the ones fitted to the boat for the home US market. Manufacturers will try to use the same parts (dual USCG and CE marked) wherever possible to save costs.
Changing a fuel cap, changing a fuel tank etc when they don't need to be changed seems a good way to make money!
Graham
Changing a fuel cap, changing a fuel tank etc when they don't need to be changed seems a good way to make money!
Graham
mlines
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My plated and certified Bayliner also says "Gas" on the fuel cap.
The automated fire system also appears to be an American thing, not just a CE plating solution (and is not counted as a fire extinguisher for the BSS!!)
The automated fire system also appears to be an American thing, not just a CE plating solution (and is not counted as a fire extinguisher for the BSS!!)
EugeneR
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You should be able to get a 29ft Bayliner CE-marked for around £750, if you shop around and negotiate a bit. The changes takes less than 30 minutes if you know what to change and have the necessary bits to hand, mostly one-way valves and labels.
I would not hesitate to buy a non-CE boat as long as the officially imported model with the same engine etc has been CE certified and the price reflects it's status. Of course, it would be illegal to market or use it, so I'd get it certified before use.
In my view, having to do a post construction CE certification, when the identical model has been certified by the manufacturer, is a way of protecting the industry. I would rather see manufacturers giving clear information on what to change (like Bayliner), and the certification bodies making sure that you have made those changes for your own safety, rather than re-certifying the entire boat.
I would not hesitate to buy a non-CE boat as long as the officially imported model with the same engine etc has been CE certified and the price reflects it's status. Of course, it would be illegal to market or use it, so I'd get it certified before use.
In my view, having to do a post construction CE certification, when the identical model has been certified by the manufacturer, is a way of protecting the industry. I would rather see manufacturers giving clear information on what to change (like Bayliner), and the certification bodies making sure that you have made those changes for your own safety, rather than re-certifying the entire boat.