Caulking disaster. Advice needed

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We had a new teak deck laid on our boat, a "Malo" 34, during the winter of 2012/13 in the Mediterranean. Sikaflex was used to caulk the deck. It was kept under cover throughout the procedure. The guy who applied it states that the batch numbers were all in date and the company has said that there was no fault with the batch . However, during the heat of summer 2013 the caulking melted excessively, covering the deck, our clothes, towels and feet. It was a daily chore to clean all those up, before a repeat and the following day's damage occurred! At the end of the sailing season, the caulking was replaced and we returned with high expectations this summer, 2014. The caulker claims NOT to have used a solvent which the manufacturer stated will prevent the caulk from curing. Yet again, in the heat of this year's Mediterranean summer, the problem recurred! Eventually, I placed insulating tape over some of the worst areas. We are distraught. The caulker had already contacted the manufacturers who refuse to even examine the problem in situ. The caulker has now agreed has agreed to replace all the caulking yet again during this winter, but with another product. He has said that he will not, however, be applying it under cover, but at the rate of 3 lines each time on a dry day, in it's berth at the marina in the Balearics between November and March. The prospect of another 4 month long summer of misery and weeping caulking next year is seriously daunting for us. Is anyone able to advise 1) the correct method to remove the Sikaflex, 2) the correct product to clean up the adhesive from the insulating tape and residual sikaflex, 3)how to prepare the teak for re-caulking, 4)whether it is necessary to do the work under cover and out of the water and 5)which product to use for a boat spending all its time in the Mediterranean? Currently we have had no pleasure from our new, very expensive teak deck, which was to replace wood which had worn too thin. The current wood has now been sanded several times. We wonder whether the thickness will be any greater than when we first commisioned the work, by the time the problem has been solved!
 
Tear it all up and replace with TekDek and use their adhesive. Sikaflex in the sun is a nightmare. They probably used 291 which is a sealant which does not cure hard. Make sure they use an adhesive. Simpsons works better.
 
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A friend of ours painted their teak deck with some marine teak restorer product. It went on so well and was absorbed so readily they decided to do a second coat. The second coat didn't now soak in as the teak was saturated. The Silkaflex went soft and all just before the boat went out on charter.
The clients returned with black everywhere including all over the waterproofs. Down below as well as on deck. It was an absolute disaster. Future charters were cancelled and it was months before the boat was back to its former self.
 
I have found that the teak cleaner that I use, maybe once a year, softens the caulking (probably sika) just on the surface enough to leave black marks on light coloured clothing.

After a couple of days it's fine again.

Most of the time the teak just gets cleaned with seawater.

Sorry, doesn't help the OP.
 
I'm afraid I don't have any experience of this but you might find it helpful to look at the Hallberg Rassy website. On the HR Parts page under the heading Maintenance/TeakDeck they sell the caulking used on current HRs. It's an Alcoxy Silicone. Not cheap and short shelf life but at least it does not seem to melt!!
Very best of luck
 
I'm afraid I don't have any experience of this but you might find it helpful to look at the Hallberg Rassy website. On the HR Parts page under the heading Maintenance/TeakDeck they sell the caulking used on current HRs. It's an Alcoxy Silicone. Not cheap and short shelf life but at least it does not seem to melt!!
Very best of luck

FWIW, I used that product, Sealine 100, when I relayed my teak decks in 2008.
One advantage over Sika is that neither primer nor release tape are required, just cleaning.
The caulking on my boat is still fine, but seven years is a short time. And it has not been to the Med.
 
FWIW, I used that product, Sealine 100, when I relayed my teak decks in 2008.
One advantage over Sika is that neither primer nor release tape are required, just cleaning.
The caulking on my boat is still fine, but seven years is a short time. And it has not been to the Med.

As a babayaga I'm surprised you didn't advise saying "Čáry, máry, fuk!"
 
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Do you know exactly which Sika product he was using, was it 290DC or perhaps 290DCi? Believe it or not, the 'i' may have some relevance! Unlikely, but is there any chance something like Sika 291 was used instead of 290DC?
 
For caulking advice, look at post #23 on the `Best treatment for exterior Woodwork thread`...
 
This breakdown is very very common. It has just happened to my 2013 Fairline, and 6 other Fairlines in the same small marina.
The product is obviously not fit for purpose, hopefully it will happen to a lawyer who can get an joint action against the company on behalf of us all.
It is absolutely nothing to do with the products used to clean the deck. It is a primary breakdown of the product due to degradation of the uv protection element when exposed to sunlight. The problem shows itself after 2 - 3 summers, long enough for any warranty to expire and for them to claim that inappropriate cleaning products have been used.
If you look carefully at the areas breaking down, you will see that the liquidation starts in the body of the material, not on the surface. The liquid then bursts through the surface and onto clothes, feet deck etc.etc.
 
If you are in the Balearics, I have met a company called "Teaknit" that seemed to know all the problems of Sikaflex and spend their lives replacing it as it was used by major manufacturers of boats such as Sunseeker. The gap between the teak strips will increase by 1mm as every last bit of Sikaflex must be removed, and it costs a minimum of €18 per linear meter. So rather expensive per square meter! I have met companies who tent, and those that don't.
Other recommended companies in Mallorca;
Southerncrossmallorca.com
Teaknit.com
Modesty.es
Oceanrefit.com
 
Sorry, can I just add that you should contact Sika, preferably with a sample of the failed Sikaflex.
Unless you contact them they are unaware of the problems that are occurring.

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