Carrying your knife to the boat

There’s public relations.....how can the police justify stopping and searching for a knife...while a man walks past carrying garden shears
 
The article doesn't show the tools involved:
Hori Hori - Japanese Trowel from Niwaki
https://www.axminstertools.com/japanese-gardener-s-sickle-202310
and apparently a "peeling knife"

So whilst he may well have had a defence, I can see how the situation arose and it takes a certain level of niavity to think walking about the streets with those is not going to raise any eyebrows. To then accept a caution to get out the police station quicker and surrender your quite expensive tools, but regret it after because it may impact your job, either sounds like a vulnerable individual exploited by some impatient cops or that perhaps we don't have the full story!

Whilst the headline and article are constructed in a way to engender sympathy for the "gardener" can you imagine the headlines if the cops had been told there was a man in kakhi with three knifes and they said "sounds like someone on his way from the allotment" and that person had gone on to attack people? Did it need an arrest/custody perhaps not - but we only have one version of events.

Neeves - we don't have random drink/drug testing in the UK, and a brake light and negative breath test etc would not normally be a basis to search a car. However if you were pulled over and got out the car with knives strapped to your belt then you might get a robust approach. People can legitimately carry firearms secure in the vehicle when moving between legal locations for their use and knives would be no different.
 
dunedin said:
This topic was covered extensively a couple of weeks back.
And sensible folks leave their boat knife on the boat when travelling home.
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I know, I followed the thread.

The thread was theoretical - this is reality


I'm constantly amazed at the number of incidences where a man goes back to his car and takes out a baseball bat (but it is Australia)

Jonathan
 
I did get stopped once by the Douanes in France when returning there back in the mid 80s.
I had a pile of bits for a rowing eight and three machetes in the boot.

They had a look in the boot and I had some explaining to do. For both the boat bits and the machetes.
The boat bits I had bought without paying VAT for my rowing club. I was terrified that they would ask be to fork out for the VAT.

I managed to explain that the machetes were just for decoration as the blades were completely blunt.

Phew!
 
dunedin said:
And sensible folks leave their boat knife on the boat when travelling home.
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Ah well then I am not sensible because when dinghying ashore from my swinging mooring I always take a knife or then again maybe I am sensible because how else would you clear a tangle of weed/rope etc from around your outboard prop?
 
ylop said:
The article doesn't show the tools involved:
Hori Hori - Japanese Trowel from Niwaki
https://www.axminstertools.com/japanese-gardener-s-sickle-202310
and apparently a "peeling knife"

So whilst he may well have had a defence, I can see how the situation arose and it takes a certain level of niavity to think walking about the streets with those is not going to raise any eyebrows. To then accept a caution to get out the police station quicker and surrender your quite expensive tools, but regret it after because it may impact your job, either sounds like a vulnerable individual exploited by some impatient cops or that perhaps we don't have the full story!

Whilst the headline and article are constructed in a way to engender sympathy for the "gardener" can you imagine the headlines if the cops had been told there was a man in kakhi with three knifes and they said "sounds like someone on his way from the allotment" and that person had gone on to attack people? Did it need an arrest/custody perhaps not - but we only have one version of events.

Neeves - we don't have random drink/drug testing in the UK, and a brake light and negative breath test etc would not normally be a basis to search a car. However if you were pulled over and got out the car with knives strapped to your belt then you might get a robust approach. People can legitimately carry firearms secure in the vehicle when moving between legal locations for their use and knives would be no different.
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I blame Peaky Blinders
 
ylop said:
The article doesn't show the tools involved:
Hori Hori - Japanese Trowel from Niwaki
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Sorry officer but my yacht is called Kukri and I'm not leaving it on board.

As I said - there is no such thing as bad advertising. In the absence of a Nepalese ironmonger I'd be down at my nearest Japanese ironmonger buying a Hori Kori - looks a decent sailing knife

Jonathan
 
Neeves said:
I know, I followed the thread.

The thread was theoretical - this is reality


I'm constantly amazed at the number of incidences where a man goes back to his car and takes out a baseball bat (but it is Australia)

Jonathan
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Any fule no that the proper object to carry is a pick helve. It is the working class Englishman's ancestral weapon.

This is humour btw.
 
Rum Run said:
Any fule no that the proper object to carry is a pick helve. It is the working class Englishman's ancestral weapon.

This is humour btw.
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While handy to have for most occasions....it’s difficult to explain to a land lubber copper or beak...what its onboard use is
 
dansaskip said:
I think this very recent article highlights the danger to anyone who wishes to carry and quite legally a knife/garden tool etc - in this case the tools were covered - no naked blades. I think it also highlights how the police operate with no insight or knowledge.
Man carrying home his gardening tools arrested by armed police in Manchester
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When I had a city allotment I carried my tools to and from in a carrier bag and did not wear them on the waist of khaki trousers. Also my tools were traditional to horticulture in the UK, so probably recognisable as such by even the ignorant.
I think the lad in eyeliner made a bit of a spectacle of himself and this is the upshot. He should not have accepted the caution though, but made his case in court if it ever went that far. Also he should get his expensive toys back, and be more sensible next time.
 
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