Carefull as yer go lads, an innocent stupid mistake ????

[Rigger Mortice]

The problem is calling some one stupid or showing some one they are stupid does not change anything, educating people is how you stop stupidity.

Undoubtedly true. It's also true that, if stupidity is highlighted to people by a prosecution taking place, they may be more inclined to be educated.
Most of us recognise that drink driving is stupid. The fact that we also know there are stiff penalties for it serves to concentrate the mind a bit more.

 

[JumbleDuck]

If people die through your negligence then there should be legal action. I can't see that it matters who has died. The alternative is untenable, you couldn't have a legal system that allowed people to work on equipment that could cause death and injury and then ignore the consequences. That is why many of us on here will happily to a bit of electrical work at home. But wouldn't think of fiddling with the boiler. The consequences are different. That a generator will produce CO is entirely forseeable

I happily fiddle with my boiler, and have kept it running for twelve years after the local technician said it was a dead duck. However, that's a 1970s oil-fired one. We have a gas combi as well and I wouldn't even begin to think about touching that.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Yes all very good, but whats the point of punishing some one who knows they have done wrong and is not likely to do it again?

That's rather the definition of "punishing". Most murderers have very good reasons for killing their victim, know they have done wrong and would never go on to kill anyone else. Does that mean they shouldn't be punished?

 

[prv]

Perhaps the CPS looked a bit further and decided that what could have been a silly mistake was a bit more than that

Maybe the excuse of ignorance just doesn't wash?

Are you suggesting that he did it on purpose?

If not, can you clarify what you are suggesting? I can't see any other meaning to draw from your words.

Pete

 

[JumbleDuck]

Precisely. If someone had done this bodge and charged for the work then criminal proceedings would be very much in order.

As long as they felt really sorry afterwards, why punish someone who has charged for it?

 

[Rigger Mortice]

Are you suggesting that he did it on purpose?

If not, can you clarify what you are suggesting? I can't see any other meaning to draw from your words.

Pete

I am not. In fact the idea never crossed my mind. I'm suggesting that he was probably in a better position than most to realise the stupidity of what he did.

 

[Lakesailor]

The only thing I wonder that you might be able to answer is does the lake fall under the BSS? or are there local bye laws regarding the boats inspections/ maintenance etc?

No, and, No

 

[awol]

Are you suggesting that he did it on purpose?

I would be very surprised if an investigation into possible motive had not taken place. As a murder method CO poisoning is considerably less far-fetched than some of Agatha Christie's plots.

 

[viva]

Add this to my thread about Britain being f**ked-up.
The CPS won't miss an opportunity will they?
Do they think the bloke had the slightest idea what would happen or that he was cavalier with his family's lives? He must be more than devastated.

No. It's a case of "You survived. We'll have you."

To which aspect of "Britain being f**ked-up" does your post relate? The role of the CPS is to determine if there is sufficient evidence that an offence has been committed, not to make judgements about punishment - that is the role of the courts. If two people have died as a result of faulty workmanship then I would suggest that someone should be prosecuted. If the CPS were to determine which cases to prosecute based on a subjective view of the amount of suffering, as you seem to be suggeting then Britain would certainly be f**d-up.

 

[Seajet]

I'm with Lakesailor all the way on this one.

OK the bloke cocked up an installation but he did it with the best of intensions and will suffer the thought for the rest of his life.

An easy target for plod and CPS compared to real criminals.

 

[JumbleDuck]

I'm with Lakesailor all the way on this one.

OK the bloke cocked up an installation but he did it with the best of intensions and will suffer the thought for the rest of his life.

Would you apply the same logic to the many landlords who have killed their tenants with dodgy boiler installations. After all, they didn't mean to kill. Neither did anyone who was simply negligent, rather than actively malevolent, but the law recognizes that some negligence (Do drunken drivers intend to kill pedestrians?) is so bad that it merits criminal sanction.

 

[Wandering Star]

I'm with Lakesailor all the way on this one.

OK the bloke cocked up an installation but he did it with the best of intensions and will suffer the thought for the rest of his life.

An easy target for plod and CPS compared to real criminals.

Yep me too. Tragic consequences but I believe there was no hidden agenda. I think supporters for a prosecution should watch some of the clots on "You've Been Framed", plenty of opportunities for prosecutions with the (sometimes hilarious) video clips providing the necessary evidence for prosecuting the prats.. Let's work together to stamp out foolishnes by prosecuting the foolhardy.

 

[Wandering Star]

Would you apply the same logic to the many landlords who have killed their tenants with dodgy boiler installations. After all, they didn't mean to kill. Neither did anyone who was simply negligent, rather than actively malevolent, but the law recognizes that some negligence (Do drunken drivers intend to kill pedestrians?) is so bad that it merits criminal sanction.

Most of us instinctively know the difference between a professional doing a dodgy job or a drunk driver killing someone and a happy dad knocking up some Heath Robinson contraption for the enjoyment of his family but with such tragic consequences.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Most of us instinctively know the difference between a professional doing a dodgy job or a drunk driver killing someone and a happy dad knocking up some Heath Robinson contraption for the enjoyment of his family but with such tragic consequences.

I don't. What's the difference? What would the father of the girl he killed see as the difference?

 

[Wandering Star]

I don't. What's the difference? What would the father of the girl he killed see as the difference?

well there you go then, no answer to that - pleased my family don't take life and living quite so seriously as some other people.

 

[JumbleDuck]

well there you go then, no answer to that - pleased my family don't take life and living quite so seriously as some other people.

Are you really saying that you wouldn't take it too seriously if you had a ten year old daughter killed by an grossly incompetent gas installation? Golly.

 

[Wandering Star]

Are you really saying that you wouldn't take it too seriously if you had a ten year old daughter killed by an grossly incompetent gas installation? Golly.

No, I never said that at all and I can't be bothered to continue the discussion.

 

[JumbleDuck]

No, I never said that at all ,,,

Erm, you did, as it happens. I wrote

What would the father of the girl he killed see as the difference?

to which you replied

pleased my family don't take life and living quite so seriously as some other people.

I think most people would take the death of their child seriously. Perhaps it's different in your family.

 

[Wandering Star]

Erm, you did, as it happens. I wrote



to which you replied



I think most people would take the death of their child seriously. Perhaps it's different in your family.

you interpret what I wrote anyway you like - you're wrong though. Ttfn.

 

[VicS]

I think most people would take the death of their child seriously. Perhaps it's different in your family.

What he said was that his family don't take life and living so seriously.

Presumably he is suggesting that they wont give a fig if he kills them