Car carrier sunk off Rotterdam

[sailorman]

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3898914#post3898914

13 saved as of 22.40, 11 still missing.
How the hell does it happen

 

[tillergirl]

New TSS rules 5 days ago? Mind you the differences were not obvious.

 

[sailorman]

It looks like the CORVUS J is now heading for Zeebrugge rather than Antwerp as intended

 

[Tradewinds]

Pardon my ignorance - but what were the 'new TSS rules'?

 

[sailorman]

Well i got that wrong.
i guess they didn't want to risk the Oost Gat & went the long way round. picked the pilot up off Zeebrugge & proceeding to the Scheldte

 

[tillergirl]

Pardon my ignorance - but what were the 'new TSS rules'?

Could have put it better - not rules in the Collision Regs sense but they altered some detail of the dotted lines. Was in the NtM in weeks 38 and 41 - see http://www.crossingthethamesestuary.com/page9.html. Easiest to fine in the Sector lists. But you need the new charts to id the change.

 

[sailorman]

 

[sailorman]

Check out the ais track in the link
the Baltic Ace turned to port into the path of the Corvus J


http://gcaptain.com/corvus-j-containership-damage-photos/

 

[sailorman]

 

[nigelm]

Cat D , some panel damage ........

 

[sailorman]

Cat D , some panel damage ........

And a Proboscis bent to Stbd

it looks like she struck the Baltic Ace on the stbd quarter (from the ais track). i would bet, she was just rolled over, rather than a serious holing. The Baltic Ace had turned hard to port so would be already heeled over to port anyway.

 

[nigelm]

The Baltic Ace had turned hard to port so would be already heeled over to port anyway.

You sure

I know airplanes bank the way they turn but ships .....

 

[sailorman]

You sure

I know airplanes bank the way they turn but ships .....

Fizzics dear chap fizzics

look at the ais vid clip

 

[davidfox]

Fizzics dear chap fizzics

look at the ais vid clip

If i were to drive my car very hard around a left hand bend and i rolled it, it would roll away from the bend, ie it would list to starbord before rolling?

 

[sailorman]

If i were to drive my car very hard around a left hand bend and i rolled it, it would roll away from the bend, ie it would list to starbord before rolling?

would it lean in or out with rudder full stbd rudder

Perilous Escape

All of the above factors can shorten the amount of time that the crew has to escape a RoRo before she sinks but, once the alarm is given, abandoning a RoRo that is listing can be dangerous. In 2006 the crew of the RoRo vessel Cougar Ace was able to escape the ship after she grounded on a reef in Alaska but, because of the 60-degree list, a member of the salvage team slipped and fell to his death on the vessel’s upper deck.

Even if the crew can maneuver themselves across a heavily listing deck, the high sides of many modern RoRo’s pose another problem: the higher a lifeboat is stowed above the waterline the more difficult it can be to launch, especially if the ship is listing badly.

These factors indicate that RoRo’s are highly sophisticated ships which require very careful handling. This makes them exceptionally vulnerable to human error.

 

[DavidofMersea]

I am surprised there was nothing about this on the national TV news

 

[Firefly]

Not a British national news story as wasnt in our waters and neither ship British - whether any Brit nationals involved they probably don't know. As ex MN my thoughts are with the poor fellas who died in the cold North Sea. Humour is not very appropriate in the circumstances.