Canvas - twixt Main and Mizzen ?

[lenseman]

Can anyone tell me the name of the canvas between the main and the mizzen in the photograph from the following link:

http://www.goodfortunesails.com/

 

[duncanmack]

Can anyone tell me the name of the canvas between the main and the mizzen in the photograph from the following link:

http://www.goodfortunesails.com/

AFAIR a staysail?

 

[grumpy_o_g]

A Mizzen Staysail I believe, more commonly seen with the luff running from the peak of the Mizzen Mast to somewhere near the foot of the Main Mast.

 

[prv]

Something very odd. Before I clicked the link I assumed I'd be looking at a picture of a fisherman staysail, but that's typically much higher up and a very different shape. I've never seen anything like the sail in your picture. I can't begin to guess what the owner might call it.

Pete

 

[lenseman]

AFAIR a staysail?

Apparently not. I have ordered a Mizzen Stay-sail from Crusader and the one in the photograph above is certainly is not what is conventionally known as a Mizzen Stay-sail ?

Mizzen Stay-sail (luff) runs from the weather-deck chain-plate abaft the main mast to the peak of the mizzen and the leach runs down and is sheeted to the aft end of the mizzen boom. My ketch has these specific chain-plates to port and starboard and mounted just inboard of the safety rails just for'ward of the main mast.

It is loose-footed and runs to the weather side of the main but to leeward of the main back-stay. A stay-sail runs 'across the yacht' when flying with the tack to the weather and the clew to leeward side of the yacht.

 

[lenseman]

Can anyone tell me the name of the canvas between the main and the mizzen in the photograph from the following link:

http://www.goodfortunesails.com/

Right !

I think I am getting there. I have been researching sails on a ketch for over a week and I believe that the above sail is called "a mule"?

http://www.force50.org/forum/showthread.php?t=239

 

[lenseman]

Yea Found it!

http://www.dabblersails.com/blog/blog.pl?type=show&id=45&pic_id=3

Right that's another order for a Mule sail I will have to place with Crusader in the morning.

 

[Bajansailor]

And a virtual pint for identifying the make of yacht that is flying the mule in Goodfortune.... ?

Perini Navis love mules - here is a not-so-good photo of one :
http://valefyachts.com/gallery/236-full.jpg

 

[Searush]

What an interesting idea. I have a windsurfer wishbone around somewhere . . .

 

[ribrage]

Can anyone tell me the name of the canvas between the main and the mizzen in the photograph from the following link:

http://www.goodfortunesails.com/

Thats an interesting set up ! let me know if it works . Are you still planning on heading my way ? If so im back from Iraq mid august (ish) what other work you having done to that fine sailing vessel of yours ?

 

[wilkinsonsails]

We call them fisherman staysails.
Cindy

 

[Dockhead]

It's a weird fisherman. I've seen them with three sides before, but never rigged like that. It looks like it's on a roller-furling backstay

 

[lenseman]

Apparently the Fisherman sail is a quite specific sail high in the rigging.

It is four sided and is set 'flying'. It does a similar job to the 'Mule' to catch light airs. Below is a picture of a Fisherman, hope this helps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisherman's_staysail

http://issuma.com/rhudson/RR/SchoonerSailingNotes.htm
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The 'Mule' is described specifically as a three sided sail in the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schooner
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pictures here:

http://www.google.co.uk/images?um=1&hl=en&tbs=isch:1&sa=1&q=mule+sail&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

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[charles_reed]

Can anyone tell me the name of the canvas between the main and the mizzen in the photograph from the following link:

http://www.goodfortunesails.com/

A mule

Commonplace (apparently) on fore&aft rigged schooners, self-tacking, and only of use on certain points of sail. Using a wishbone improves usability.

Comment by a user:-

The mule has been regarded an ornamental sail by some. Yes, it does look great, but I wouldn't carry it around if it didn't have real purpose. About the same area as the mizzen, it fills in the area above the main and sheets to the mizzen mast. It is only useful up to about 15 knots of wind. Flying high above the main, it can catch more air and induce some heal which increases waterline, hence speed. It seems to act as a riding sail and keeps the sails full longer in a swell. It is self-tending.

Stuart Hopkins wrote an article that appeared in Sail March 1980. In his article Harnessing the Mule, the wishbone (a spar similar to that on a windsurfer) is an important element to the mule making it useful in a greater range of wind directions. I felt the wishbone boom was extra windage and trouble; so maybe I am penalized by inability to fly the mule during a couple of points of sail.

I never made a set of plans, just cut and try till it worked right. Maybe I will make some plans from my working rig someday. The current version is cloth cut out from the old main, sewn onto wire and attached to a Harken furler, like the little furling gear used on Hobie Cats. It sets with one hand while steering. I led a small vinyl-covered wire from the drum down the mizzen mast to a cleat. I mounted a cleat next to it for the single sheet.

I used the mule in a single-handed race in the BVI years ago with good effect. Beautiful scenery dancing on the lifelines. Moxie performs well in the stronger conditions of the Caribbean. We surprised the big boats in a race in Grenada too! A heavy full-keeled boat doesn't have to be slow! Particularly when sailed to advantage; you've got that rigging up there. Make it work for you.

 

[Searush]

Apparently the Fisherman sail is a quite specific sail high in the rigging.

It is four sided and is set 'flying'. It does a similar job to the 'Mule' to catch light airs. Below is a picture of a Fisherman, hope this helps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisherman's_staysail

http://issuma.com/rhudson/RR/SchoonerSailingNotes.htm
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The 'Mule' is described specifically as a three sided sail in the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schooner
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pictures here:

http://www.google.co.uk/images?um=1&hl=en&tbs=isch:1&sa=1&q=mule+sail&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

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That Fisherman will only work on a Schooner as illustrated. Ketch & Yawl mizzens are usually quite a bit shorter than the fore (main) mast. On a Schooner the aft mast is the Main & is much taller than the fore mast allowing for the quadrilateral shape.