Can't see a good boat put down. Eygthene 24 1/4 tonner

[Hoist]

I think this weekends job is going to be a change from the bulkhead stuff and start thinking about extracting the oily anchor in the middle of the boat. The previous owner said this Petter engine had not ran in 5 years. An engineer looked at it and could not get the exhaust elbow off which was said to be one of the problems with it. Having a quick scoot about the forum this engine was rubbish when new.

 

[doug748]

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I think this weekends job is going to be a change from the bulkhead stuff and start thinking about extracting the oily anchor in the middle of the boat. The previous owner said this Petter engine had not ran in 5 years. An engineer looked at it and could not get the exhaust elbow off which was said to be one of the problems with it. Having a quick scoot about the forum this engine was rubbish when new.

They were ok in my experience but the manifolds are likely to be rotten at this stage and the alloy heads tended corrode and blow. Spares were dodgy 20 years ago, the situation has not likely improved. Some sort of Yanmar might be an improvement due to being newer.

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[Hoist]

They were ok in my experience but the manifolds are likely to be rotten at this stage and the alloy heads tended corrode and blow. Spares were dodgy 20 years ago, the situation has not likely improved. Some sort of Yanmar might be an improvement due to being newer.

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Having a look around there is a pumpset on ebay for 450 quid with this engine installed that looks clean. Its obviously not marinised so would need donor parts from here. I am reluctant to go down that route since I think the parts I need are probably close to scrap on the original unit

I think the outboard is the most cost effective, reliable and simple option. The boat has been fitted with an outboard bracket but not very well. It will need redone so I am looking into whats best for the boat. The boat is just not going to be worth whatever it costs to put a modern diesel in it.

 

[MisterBaxter]

I'd definitely go for an outboard myself - a slippery fish like this doesn't need to drag a prop around.

 

[doug748]

Having a look around there is a pumpset on ebay for 450 quid with this engine installed that looks clean. Its obviously not marinised so would need donor parts from here. I am reluctant to go down that route since I think the parts I need are probably close to scrap on the original unit

I think the outboard is the most cost effective, reliable and simple option. The boat has been fitted with an outboard bracket but not very well. It will need redone so I am looking into whats best for the boat. The boat is just not going to be worth whatever it costs to put a modern diesel in it.

Yes. They are nice sailing boats. For the uses you are likely to put the boat to, a small outboard would do the job.
Back in the day they were often sailed on an off the mooring for races and only motored back on the tender's outboard if the wind failed.

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[dgadee]

They were ok in my experience but the manifolds are likely to be rotten at this stage and the alloy heads tended corrode and blow. Spares were dodgy 20 years ago, the situation has not likely improved. Some sort of Yanmar might be an improvement due to being newer.

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I regret installing a Yanmar. £1k for a new switch panel. Beta or o/b.

 

[Stemar]

I regret installing a Yanmar. £1k for a new switch panel. Beta or o/b.

Unfortunately, you'll find similarly exorbitantly priced bits for most engines. However, some Betas, at least, are based on Kubota engines used in agricultural stuff, so that does give an alternative source for some bits without the marine tax. Trouble is, it's often the marinising bits that give grief.

 

[Gixer]

Oh wow, just found this thread. Good on you Hoist! I say this as I could be in a similar situation at some point.

I've recently changed marinas and while wandering around my new marina I spotted the yacht I learned to sail on. It's in a very, very sorry state and looks abandoned. I spoke to the marina office and they told me the story which is the usual sad story. If this yacht ever came up for sale I would be sorely tempted. This yacht has very fond memories as I first crossed the channel on her and had a wonderful holiday in the channel islands. I spent years crewing and club racing on this boat and it breaks my heart seeing it in this state.

 

[dgadee]

Unfortunately, you'll find similarly exorbitantly priced bits for most engines. However, some Betas, at least, are based on Kubota engines used in agricultural stuff, so that does give an alternative source for some bits without the marine tax. Trouble is, it's often the marinising bits that give grief.

You may be correct, but Yamaha are the most exorbitant of all.

 

[mrming]

I regret installing a Yanmar. £1k for a new switch panel. Beta or o/b.

A standard Beta Marine panel is £215. A basic Yanmar panel is £277.40 from French Marine in Brightlingsea. Was it a particularly fancy panel? Or did the £1k include someone to fit it?

 

[Hoist]

Acquired a decent longshaft Honda 5hp. 27kg which is the same as most 4 stroke outboards but it has the benefit of being able to 12v charge.

A much better self contained option for the boat and when it needs serviced you can just drop it off

 

[awol]

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Acquired a decent longshaft Honda 5hp. 27kg which is the same as most 4 stroke outboards but it has the benefit of being able to 12v charge.

A much better self contained option for the boat and when it needs serviced you can just drop it off

Deep sixing it when the motor needs a service is a bit drastic!

 

[dgadee]

A standard Beta Marine panel is £215. A basic Yanmar panel is £277.40 from French Marine in Brightlingsea. Was it a particularly fancy panel? Or did the £1k include someone to fit it?

The new model. Digital. Engine only +7 years old.

B20.

IoM price same as UK: YANMAR B20 'MEDALLION' Panel - 164100-30105

 

[38mess]

The new model. Digital. Engine only +7 years old.

B20.

IoM price same as UK: YANMAR B20 'MEDALLION' Panel - 164100-30105

That's a bit rich. I have learnt to get spares for my Perkins M30 from the agricultural supplier.
Same bits except without the Marine hike

 

[Babylon]

Acquired a decent longshaft Honda 5hp. 27kg which is the same as most 4 stroke outboards but it has the benefit of being able to 12v charge.

How does it do that? Small alternator? How much charge?

 

[Hoist]

It’s stator charged. A max of 3.75 amps however this is dependant on revs.

It will be a very minimal charging system but I feel it’s better than nothing.

 

[oldbloke]

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I think this weekends job is going to be a change from the bulkhead stuff and start thinking about extracting the oily anchor in the middle of the boat. The previous owner said this Petter engine had not ran in 5 years. An engineer looked at it and could not get the exhaust elbow off which was said to be one of the problems with it. Having a quick scoot about the forum this engine was rubbish when new.

Rubbish or not, apparently it has run for 45yrs

 

[Hoist]

Rubbish or not, apparently it has run for 45yrs

Only 37

 

[Hoist]

Got the main battery on the boat charged up and decided to see if the engine would turn over. I managed to find the starting handle in the bilge and she is locked solid. I was going to give the engine at least one chance but I'm not spending any time or money on it.

*** If anybody wants parts from this they are welcome to them otherwise its going in the metal skip ***



Exhaust Elbow is literally snapped off with rust. Thankfully I was able to get the seacock for the engine closed and it was pretty free despite appearances.



Should be really easy to get the engine out. No idea how much it weighs but must be significantly less than the 40hp yanmar I wrestled into a Moody



On the outboard front. The little honda runs well. Did a service and a carb clean just to be sure. Very impressed with it. Smooth runner

 

[Hoist]

Another weekend full of progress!

The cheap silicone from the pound shop peels off like a dream, and yes that is a takeaway container flattened on it. Its just what I had to hand thats disposable



The chain plate had made quite a mess of the deck where it had ripped out so I took a chunk out around it



Started off small with a 3mm plywood template but I was not happy with the core so I decided to grind out a bigger area around the chainplate area



The power file is a must have for jobs like this. It can get into the corners where other power tools are just too big. You could use a dremel but it will take about 3 times longer



The little hole to the right of the green foam seems to be a strange step in the mould. I hot glued a backing plate of 3mm ply onto it and filled it with foam and thickended epoxy. Then everything was liberally coated with thickened epoxy. with hindsight I have used to much and will have a lot of grinding however in this case I am happy to know its strong instead of not glued properly




Everything was then covered in multiple layers of glass and finally peel ply. I have gone over the edges a fair bit, but I am happy to grind off the excess. I think this will be the first time the boat hasn't leaked in that area for some time!