Forbsie
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Just to show that some of us aren't on sailboats - I have a 1920's ex-Naval Pinnace - 40' teak on oak. Only half of it is liveable at the mo because the whole aft deck and cabin have been ripped off for a re-build.
Can everyone post what boat they have as a liveaboard please?
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trevorr
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Westerly Typhoon 37' 3yrs all year round UK.
Thats 2 people with Typhoons' now. Does that make it the most popular Live a board boat?
Trev
Thats 2 people with Typhoons' now. Does that make it the most popular Live a board boat?
Trev
FullCircle
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Richard, I thought this interesting, as I will, by the ook of this list, have the wackiest boat out there. I will explain my choice in another thread.
My surprise thus far is that modern 'quality' marques are almost (I said almost) unrepresented. No modern Moodys, Oysters, HRs Malo, Najad.
My surprise thus far is that modern 'quality' marques are almost (I said almost) unrepresented. No modern Moodys, Oysters, HRs Malo, Najad.
captainslarty
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dont you have a sun oddity ?
Najad (Pronounced NaCKad in Spainsh) are too expensive normally (Expensive means you DONT get what you pay for, over hyped makes that offer little the other boats can offer, you cant buy a HR 38 and prepare it for liveabaord cruising (UNLIMITED) for the price of a Nic, thank god.. you can buy a nic of the same size AND do the refit the HR would also need for less than the overhyped price of a HR, modern moodys ? hmmm ... oysters, too expensive, Hr's too expensive, if you alter a bolt position next owner cries foul, malo, same as HR... is there a QUALITY modern Marque ? yes, there are if you have loads of dish, can you get the same or better ? yes, for far less dosh
My boat is better built than a HR / Malo, ETC and its objective, not subjective..... cheaper, sails better.. you are talking breeds from the margaret thatcher, brand era of sailing, ie, you pay for the name, yes, its good stuff, but you pay for the name......
If you still have a SO and want to know the issues, pm me.. I will be glad to recount near death in one of those contraptions.
People who cruise, and last, generally have the where with all to look beyond the brochure and hype.. that is why this thread has only shown what most cruisers would expect. nothing more, a few expensive boats with owners of lots of dosh, like anything, there is "new money" coming into the game.. its about life, not about the boat..
The VAST majority here are affordable, world capable cruiser / homes.. that cant be siad for your list of modern classics, it is a misnomer..
Najad (Pronounced NaCKad in Spainsh) are too expensive normally (Expensive means you DONT get what you pay for, over hyped makes that offer little the other boats can offer, you cant buy a HR 38 and prepare it for liveabaord cruising (UNLIMITED) for the price of a Nic, thank god.. you can buy a nic of the same size AND do the refit the HR would also need for less than the overhyped price of a HR, modern moodys ? hmmm ... oysters, too expensive, Hr's too expensive, if you alter a bolt position next owner cries foul, malo, same as HR... is there a QUALITY modern Marque ? yes, there are if you have loads of dish, can you get the same or better ? yes, for far less dosh
My boat is better built than a HR / Malo, ETC and its objective, not subjective..... cheaper, sails better.. you are talking breeds from the margaret thatcher, brand era of sailing, ie, you pay for the name, yes, its good stuff, but you pay for the name......
If you still have a SO and want to know the issues, pm me.. I will be glad to recount near death in one of those contraptions.
People who cruise, and last, generally have the where with all to look beyond the brochure and hype.. that is why this thread has only shown what most cruisers would expect. nothing more, a few expensive boats with owners of lots of dosh, like anything, there is "new money" coming into the game.. its about life, not about the boat..
The VAST majority here are affordable, world capable cruiser / homes.. that cant be siad for your list of modern classics, it is a misnomer..
graham42
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simpson 15m catamaran
BurnitBlue
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International Folkboat, small but definitely the best. Live on deck or the cockpit, sleep down below. Eat in fast food places. No engine except for a 4hp outboard in the well but stored dry in special place. May buy Nicholson 32 mkX next year.
Always a dilemna.
Always a dilemna.
chrisgee
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Catalina 42 part time live aboards at the moment in Turkey
brilliant spacious yacht - probably much under rated.
brilliant spacious yacht - probably much under rated.
FAITIRA
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Good choice, but Mk X1 better /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
LadyJessie
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Najad (Pronounced NaCKad in Spainsh) are too expensive normally (Expensive means you DONT get what you pay for, over hyped makes that offer little the other boats can offer, you cant buy a HR 38 and prepare it for liveabaord cruising (UNLIMITED) for the price of a Nic, thank god.. you can buy a nic of the same size AND do the refit the HR would also need for less than the overhyped price of a HRPeople who cruise, and last, generally have the where with all to look beyond the brochure and hype..
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Captainslarty: I think you are absolutely correct in your observation that you can find the perfect world grinding boat for a lot less than 70 kilos of squids if you are prepared to work for it and know what you are doing. What I don't like about your posting is the knock down of sailors who are not as knowledgable as you are. Some of them are prepared to spend more money just to get a safe boat for their family; a Hallberg-Rassy or a Najad. Those are in my mind the ultimate cruising boats 'out-of-the-box'. Knocking the people who choose them is, IMHO, putting down cruisers that have a very good attitude to seamanship, only because they also happen to have some money.
Najad (Pronounced NaCKad in Spainsh) are too expensive normally (Expensive means you DONT get what you pay for, over hyped makes that offer little the other boats can offer, you cant buy a HR 38 and prepare it for liveabaord cruising (UNLIMITED) for the price of a Nic, thank god.. you can buy a nic of the same size AND do the refit the HR would also need for less than the overhyped price of a HRPeople who cruise, and last, generally have the where with all to look beyond the brochure and hype..
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Captainslarty: I think you are absolutely correct in your observation that you can find the perfect world grinding boat for a lot less than 70 kilos of squids if you are prepared to work for it and know what you are doing. What I don't like about your posting is the knock down of sailors who are not as knowledgable as you are. Some of them are prepared to spend more money just to get a safe boat for their family; a Hallberg-Rassy or a Najad. Those are in my mind the ultimate cruising boats 'out-of-the-box'. Knocking the people who choose them is, IMHO, putting down cruisers that have a very good attitude to seamanship, only because they also happen to have some money.
mocruising
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From all your posts not just on this subject do you have something against people with larger budgets who just want the best available in todays market.
mike_bryon
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(Southern Ocean Shipyard) Ocean 60. Perfect for the man with a kleptomaniac wife, four kids and a dog.
Ps kleptomania in the collect things she does not need rather than the steal things sense of the word.
Ps kleptomania in the collect things she does not need rather than the steal things sense of the word.
Koeketiene
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Well, I for one, think I know where Slarty's coming from.
I've met them too - and I call them the MONO skippers (MONO = MOney No Object).
And I bet you've met them too - larger ARC boats, etc...
Some people sail because it's in their blood; for some people it's just a phase - it's fashionable. It's a way to spend the X-Mas bonus.
In the mean time the MONO skippers drive up the price of everything for everyone else. Be it moorings, swindlery stuff,... Because it's in the nature of companies to charge what they think they can get away with.
How often have you faced the "they've got a boat, so they must be loaded" attitude? These MONO skippers are largely responsible for that.
The less knowledgeable MONO skipper with an eye in safety will try to spend his way into safety. He'll pay over the odds for the "comfort" it offers him. A safety blanket.
The Swedes (Najad, HR, Malo...) come at a premium price, so they must be good (and safe). Well no, they are of a higher standard than a new AWB, but to say they're the best out there? Certainly they have one of the best marketing depts.
I happen to have some first hand experience of HR's QC. It seems that of late the delivery trip is the QC. I delivered an HR36 from Sweden to Holland two years ago. The "to fix"-list ran into multiple pages - some things obvious.
It was the owners third HR - it will also be his last.
What is the best out there new?
IMHO it's a Breehorn ( www.breehorn.nl ) - I bet I can count on the fingers of my two hands the people on here who knew about these boats.
What's best out there used? Anyone who does not buy a Kalik44 is a poor misguided fool /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I've met them too - and I call them the MONO skippers (MONO = MOney No Object).
And I bet you've met them too - larger ARC boats, etc...
Some people sail because it's in their blood; for some people it's just a phase - it's fashionable. It's a way to spend the X-Mas bonus.
In the mean time the MONO skippers drive up the price of everything for everyone else. Be it moorings, swindlery stuff,... Because it's in the nature of companies to charge what they think they can get away with.
How often have you faced the "they've got a boat, so they must be loaded" attitude? These MONO skippers are largely responsible for that.
The less knowledgeable MONO skipper with an eye in safety will try to spend his way into safety. He'll pay over the odds for the "comfort" it offers him. A safety blanket.
The Swedes (Najad, HR, Malo...) come at a premium price, so they must be good (and safe). Well no, they are of a higher standard than a new AWB, but to say they're the best out there? Certainly they have one of the best marketing depts.
I happen to have some first hand experience of HR's QC. It seems that of late the delivery trip is the QC. I delivered an HR36 from Sweden to Holland two years ago. The "to fix"-list ran into multiple pages - some things obvious.
It was the owners third HR - it will also be his last.
What is the best out there new?
IMHO it's a Breehorn ( www.breehorn.nl ) - I bet I can count on the fingers of my two hands the people on here who knew about these boats.
What's best out there used? Anyone who does not buy a Kalik44 is a poor misguided fool /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
captainslarty
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LadyJessie...
I have a few "concerns" re cruisers with money in the context of the "buy the boat" pay others to sort it out, yes, I must admit I do. Mostly this leads to an increase in prices in areas visited.. you want a marine diesel engineer in Coruna for example, 50 euros an hour, a local gets the same engineer, same service, 15 an hour... go figure ?
why ? because they will payThe cost of marina berth and anchorages taken over to paying mororings with a "nice little traditional cafe selling cokacola" built on the shore.. whay ? becuase people will pay, the charter industry is the greatest cause, the liveaboards with dosh and a pay someone else attitude the next on the scale.. all that happens is there becomes a social distiction with cruising, not good or bad at first site..
It is a bit like the rise in Chelsea Tractors.. (4 * $ 's) for the school run... and the sales of spray on mud in the early days if we are not careful.
And, dear sir, madam, I am not critisizing hr etc.. they ARE good boats, but they ARE over hyped and overpriced, and as said, extremely difficult to modify as a full time liveaboard, the norm of these boats is a few years ownership then exchange.. very few keep them on full time, as a live investement for instance.. Many HAVE to consider the resale value, due to the above normal relatively short ownership of these boats as liveaboards.
As for generally doing the work themselves, yes, this IS the case, always exceptions, but generally.
So, given the choice between an 80's hr in need of tlc, and a new hr, no contest for me.
the other thing that I often worry about is the "what if something goes wrong at sea" side.. we have met fabulous people on rahter nice boats with loadsa dosh, but they would be pickled if a problem occured out of reach of the mobile phone coverage and the boating equivelent of the AA...
there are again, always exceptions, we have met many that choose to pay, but CAN do the work themselves, fine.. but they ARE the exception.
And, yes, I will happily admit, when I see a brand new HR, like the 48 singlehanded dutchman who came in here (Hit the breakwater in fog on the way in, and a fishing boat in biscay), I DO think, what a waste of money for the purpose, then another dutch guy with MORE money turns up in a NEW super design 28 footer.. and I think, what a great choice for the purpose.
All the problems that occur on a 20 year old rassy occur on other quality boats too..like the ones listed here. Buyers of NEW hr, najad etc are the exception to the normal cruisers.. If a choice - second hand - is to be made between many of the designs listed above and a sh HR Malo etc, and preparing it for liveaboard trvelling, then the hr types would always be more expensive, by far, and need an equivelent amount spent on them.. which is what I was saying above.
I have a few "concerns" re cruisers with money in the context of the "buy the boat" pay others to sort it out, yes, I must admit I do. Mostly this leads to an increase in prices in areas visited.. you want a marine diesel engineer in Coruna for example, 50 euros an hour, a local gets the same engineer, same service, 15 an hour... go figure ?
why ? because they will payThe cost of marina berth and anchorages taken over to paying mororings with a "nice little traditional cafe selling cokacola" built on the shore.. whay ? becuase people will pay, the charter industry is the greatest cause, the liveaboards with dosh and a pay someone else attitude the next on the scale.. all that happens is there becomes a social distiction with cruising, not good or bad at first site..
It is a bit like the rise in Chelsea Tractors.. (4 * $ 's) for the school run... and the sales of spray on mud in the early days if we are not careful.
And, dear sir, madam, I am not critisizing hr etc.. they ARE good boats, but they ARE over hyped and overpriced, and as said, extremely difficult to modify as a full time liveaboard, the norm of these boats is a few years ownership then exchange.. very few keep them on full time, as a live investement for instance.. Many HAVE to consider the resale value, due to the above normal relatively short ownership of these boats as liveaboards.
As for generally doing the work themselves, yes, this IS the case, always exceptions, but generally.
So, given the choice between an 80's hr in need of tlc, and a new hr, no contest for me.
the other thing that I often worry about is the "what if something goes wrong at sea" side.. we have met fabulous people on rahter nice boats with loadsa dosh, but they would be pickled if a problem occured out of reach of the mobile phone coverage and the boating equivelent of the AA...
there are again, always exceptions, we have met many that choose to pay, but CAN do the work themselves, fine.. but they ARE the exception.
And, yes, I will happily admit, when I see a brand new HR, like the 48 singlehanded dutchman who came in here (Hit the breakwater in fog on the way in, and a fishing boat in biscay), I DO think, what a waste of money for the purpose, then another dutch guy with MORE money turns up in a NEW super design 28 footer.. and I think, what a great choice for the purpose.
All the problems that occur on a 20 year old rassy occur on other quality boats too..like the ones listed here. Buyers of NEW hr, najad etc are the exception to the normal cruisers.. If a choice - second hand - is to be made between many of the designs listed above and a sh HR Malo etc, and preparing it for liveaboard trvelling, then the hr types would always be more expensive, by far, and need an equivelent amount spent on them.. which is what I was saying above.
Saguday
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...(Expensive means you DONT get what you pay for, over hyped makes that offer little the other boats can offer, you cant buy a HR 38 and prepare it for liveabaord cruising (UNLIMITED) for the price of a Nic, thank god.. you can buy a nic of the same size AND do the refit the HR would also need for less than the overhyped price of a HR, modern moodys ? hmmm ... oysters, too expensive, Hr's too expensive, if you alter a bolt position next owner cries foul, malo, same as HR... is there a QUALITY modern Marque ? yes, there are if you have loads of dish, can you get the same or better ? yes, for far less dosh
My boat is better built than a HR / Malo, ETC and its objective, not subjective..... cheaper, sails better.. you are talking breeds from the margaret thatcher, brand era of sailing, ie, you pay for the name, yes, its good stuff, but you pay for the name......
...
People who cruise, and last, generally have the where with all to look beyond the brochure and hype.. that is why this thread has only shown what most cruisers would expect. nothing more, a few expensive boats with owners of lots of dosh, like anything, there is "new money" coming into the game.. its about life, not about the boat..
The VAST majority here are affordable, world capable cruiser / homes.. that cant be siad for your list of modern classics, it is a misnomer..
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Having spent a couple of days trying to figure this out I conclude I must fall into your "new money" category and therefore can't possibly understand (or enjoy)?) the liveaboard concept because I bought a new-ish boat, so I'm in some way not worthy or at best a mug taken in by marketing.
Load of drivel imho. Some folks sail off for years on boats <£10k, which I think is fantastic and highly admirable -reading of their adventures as been inspirational to us. Other folks are in $1m+ Oysters and superyachts - I don't resent their success in being able to afford such vessels and I'm sure they get the same pleasure being out sailing as ourselves in our mid-range Island Packet or the enterprising venturers in the 26 footers. In our travels it was clear that sailing was the great leveller, from dayboat sailors to millionaires (and we met and talked to all of them). Most of the time we were sailing in company with yachts larger than hours, but so what?
People take the decision to cruise for many reasons and the manner in which they choose to do it depends critically on their personal circumstances. Most folks seem to go off in the boat they own, which is a natural step. We found ourselves in circumstances where we had a short window to do this, in a foreign country with no boat, but with the benefit of proceeds from our house sale. Looking at the cost/time/risk triangle we spent the money on a the very best boat we could afford which needed the minimum amount of time and effort to prepare and move on to. From finding out my job was ending to selling the house, buying the boat, prepping, moving aboard and taking off was 6 months. For our family of four with 2 young kids this proved perfect and we had a faultless and trouble free adventure - in a much-loved high-quality boat which will certainly take us further around the world in years to come.
I personally have no regrets over this decision. If you can afford it, get the best that you can. I see a lot of people taking many years preparing to go, sometimes decades, stretching budgets and doing work themselves and this may well be their preference. Personally, and in retrospect, the important this is to go, as soon as possible, preferably now, not later.
Just imho
Neil
...(Expensive means you DONT get what you pay for, over hyped makes that offer little the other boats can offer, you cant buy a HR 38 and prepare it for liveabaord cruising (UNLIMITED) for the price of a Nic, thank god.. you can buy a nic of the same size AND do the refit the HR would also need for less than the overhyped price of a HR, modern moodys ? hmmm ... oysters, too expensive, Hr's too expensive, if you alter a bolt position next owner cries foul, malo, same as HR... is there a QUALITY modern Marque ? yes, there are if you have loads of dish, can you get the same or better ? yes, for far less dosh
My boat is better built than a HR / Malo, ETC and its objective, not subjective..... cheaper, sails better.. you are talking breeds from the margaret thatcher, brand era of sailing, ie, you pay for the name, yes, its good stuff, but you pay for the name......
...
People who cruise, and last, generally have the where with all to look beyond the brochure and hype.. that is why this thread has only shown what most cruisers would expect. nothing more, a few expensive boats with owners of lots of dosh, like anything, there is "new money" coming into the game.. its about life, not about the boat..
The VAST majority here are affordable, world capable cruiser / homes.. that cant be siad for your list of modern classics, it is a misnomer..
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Having spent a couple of days trying to figure this out I conclude I must fall into your "new money" category and therefore can't possibly understand (or enjoy)?) the liveaboard concept because I bought a new-ish boat, so I'm in some way not worthy or at best a mug taken in by marketing.
Load of drivel imho. Some folks sail off for years on boats <£10k, which I think is fantastic and highly admirable -reading of their adventures as been inspirational to us. Other folks are in $1m+ Oysters and superyachts - I don't resent their success in being able to afford such vessels and I'm sure they get the same pleasure being out sailing as ourselves in our mid-range Island Packet or the enterprising venturers in the 26 footers. In our travels it was clear that sailing was the great leveller, from dayboat sailors to millionaires (and we met and talked to all of them). Most of the time we were sailing in company with yachts larger than hours, but so what?
People take the decision to cruise for many reasons and the manner in which they choose to do it depends critically on their personal circumstances. Most folks seem to go off in the boat they own, which is a natural step. We found ourselves in circumstances where we had a short window to do this, in a foreign country with no boat, but with the benefit of proceeds from our house sale. Looking at the cost/time/risk triangle we spent the money on a the very best boat we could afford which needed the minimum amount of time and effort to prepare and move on to. From finding out my job was ending to selling the house, buying the boat, prepping, moving aboard and taking off was 6 months. For our family of four with 2 young kids this proved perfect and we had a faultless and trouble free adventure - in a much-loved high-quality boat which will certainly take us further around the world in years to come.
I personally have no regrets over this decision. If you can afford it, get the best that you can. I see a lot of people taking many years preparing to go, sometimes decades, stretching budgets and doing work themselves and this may well be their preference. Personally, and in retrospect, the important this is to go, as soon as possible, preferably now, not later.
Just imho
Neil
sailinglegend420
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American Legend 420 Passage - centre cockpit AWB - but the best liveaboard we've seen. Wanted a newish boat to avoid too many problems but it seems boats aren't made to last. Luxurious aft cabin with 7' headroom and walk-around bed!
BobnLesley
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27' Albin Vega; size doesn't matter - Lesley promises!
jimbaerselman
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The Swedes (Najad, HR, Malo...) come at a premium price, so they must be good (and safe). Well no, they are of a higher standard than a new AWB, but to say they're the best out there? Certainly they have one of the best marketing depts.
[/ QUOTE ] Premium price it has to be, because their local labour is very expensive, and the exchange rates unfavourable. So, yes, very good marketing, sustaining the premium image.
The Swedes (Najad, HR, Malo...) come at a premium price, so they must be good (and safe). Well no, they are of a higher standard than a new AWB, but to say they're the best out there? Certainly they have one of the best marketing depts.
[/ QUOTE ] Premium price it has to be, because their local labour is very expensive, and the exchange rates unfavourable. So, yes, very good marketing, sustaining the premium image.
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Load of drivel imho. Some folks sail off for years on boats <£10k,
[/ QUOTE ]Totally agree with you. A load of utter and complete drivel driven by God-knows-what-or-envy.
David
1999 Nauticat 42 and ex proud owner of 1979 Centaur. It's horses for courses.
Load of drivel imho. Some folks sail off for years on boats <£10k,
[/ QUOTE ]Totally agree with you. A load of utter and complete drivel driven by God-knows-what-or-envy.
David
1999 Nauticat 42 and ex proud owner of 1979 Centaur. It's horses for courses.
captainslarty
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I conclude I must fall into your "new money" category and therefore can't possibly understand (or enjoy)?) the liveaboard concept because I bought a new-ish boat, so I'm in some way not worthy or at best a mug taken in by marketing.
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I dont know, but you may be correct /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif,, there is a ring of truth to what you say, in that, yes, maybe, you cannot possibly appreciate or enjoy a change in life, you seem to want the old with the new, how sustainable that will be for you is up to you in the long run.. so, yes, we do agree on some things /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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I don't resent their success in being able to afford such vessels and I'm sure they get the same pleasure being out sailing as ourselves in our mid-range Island Packet or the enterprising venturers in the 26 footers
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Hmmmm., interesting and also slightly dubious use of the word "Success".... and no, they dont get the same "pleasure", they cant Sir, why ? because you are still clinging to a capitalist dream.. your problem, not mine, but a gulf you will have to negotiate imho.
This is EXACTLY what I am referring to, you are indeed the epitomy. You may be, and probably are, a super guy, and guyess, dont get me wrong here.. I mean that.
Your boat is also probably fabulous, but what you will never do, is feel the basics of life in its most colourful sense, you probably will find it hard to understand some of the happiness and joy that others get from this life. and you will probably not stay the course.
Is that an issue ?, not really, is it the norm ?, not really. by doing what you are doing you are distancing yourself from things you can only sniff at.. but again that IS MY OPINION, which I am fully entitled to offer, and I DO repsect your opinions and choices.
New money, a different way to do things, yes, absolutely, and I do feel slightly sorry for you, in a good way though.. love peace etc etc... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Most why do you do it type polls, stories books etc seem to focus on the getting back to basics, you are, have, built a wall to that, how sad for you. Really, you dont know what you are missing, and probably never will. worlds apart, now and for ever, and perhaps that is a great thing ?, time will tell.
Enjoy.
I conclude I must fall into your "new money" category and therefore can't possibly understand (or enjoy)?) the liveaboard concept because I bought a new-ish boat, so I'm in some way not worthy or at best a mug taken in by marketing.
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I dont know, but you may be correct /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif,, there is a ring of truth to what you say, in that, yes, maybe, you cannot possibly appreciate or enjoy a change in life, you seem to want the old with the new, how sustainable that will be for you is up to you in the long run.. so, yes, we do agree on some things /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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I don't resent their success in being able to afford such vessels and I'm sure they get the same pleasure being out sailing as ourselves in our mid-range Island Packet or the enterprising venturers in the 26 footers
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Hmmmm., interesting and also slightly dubious use of the word "Success".... and no, they dont get the same "pleasure", they cant Sir, why ? because you are still clinging to a capitalist dream.. your problem, not mine, but a gulf you will have to negotiate imho.
This is EXACTLY what I am referring to, you are indeed the epitomy. You may be, and probably are, a super guy, and guyess, dont get me wrong here.. I mean that.
Your boat is also probably fabulous, but what you will never do, is feel the basics of life in its most colourful sense, you probably will find it hard to understand some of the happiness and joy that others get from this life. and you will probably not stay the course.
Is that an issue ?, not really, is it the norm ?, not really. by doing what you are doing you are distancing yourself from things you can only sniff at.. but again that IS MY OPINION, which I am fully entitled to offer, and I DO repsect your opinions and choices.
New money, a different way to do things, yes, absolutely, and I do feel slightly sorry for you, in a good way though.. love peace etc etc... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Most why do you do it type polls, stories books etc seem to focus on the getting back to basics, you are, have, built a wall to that, how sad for you. Really, you dont know what you are missing, and probably never will. worlds apart, now and for ever, and perhaps that is a great thing ?, time will tell.
Enjoy.
purplerobbie
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David
1999 Nauticat 42 and ex proud owner of 1979 Centaur. It's horses for courses.
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Does that mean you used to be proud of it but your not now?
is that because they are crap? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Yes yes i have seen my boat /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Rob
David
1999 Nauticat 42 and ex proud owner of 1979 Centaur. It's horses for courses.
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Does that mean you used to be proud of it but your not now?
is that because they are crap? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Yes yes i have seen my boat /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Rob
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