buying a liveaboard boat

Nice looking boat Chris. Pity no internal pics as I have seen a couple which appeared a bit of a mish mash. Good site and terrific record. Could be worth a look. Similar in style to Nauticat.

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Hi - taking all the interior shots this weekend. so look again on Sunday Monday.

This was a professionally completed boat, so good standard inside.

Certainly very good value against HR etc which are expensive because of name - and nothing special in terms of structural and mechanics - and being pretty pig like sailors (the older ones)



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What's wrong with Hunter's? Well all boats are a compromise between their ability to sail and the comfort of their interior space (and lots of other things too, but for cruising these are two important criterias). For me, Hunters push the envelope too far in the direction of interior space. EVERYTHING is built around maximising space. The result is a fat and inelegant shape, too much windage, rolly motion, underpowered rig. I hate helming Hunters - it is like the wheel is connected to the rudder by a rubber band. They are like american cars - big, bulky, rolly. Also, their interior is aesthetically too american - gloomy dark wood, too much gloss, yucky fabrics. They mostly have backstayless rigs, meaning you can't play around with the forestay tension. They are just too much boats for retired american snowbirds to sit in a Florida marina, and not boats for sailing.

I like European boats better (and I'm neutral - I'm a kiwi). They are much nicer to sail in general. Jeanneaus and Beneteaus are lovely boats to helm, with light responsive helms, a more pleasant motion and much more cheerful interior. Beneteaus are perhaps a little more sportier, Jeanneaus more cruisy but still nice handling boats. You could take a Beneteau or Jeanneau cruiser and be respectable in a club regatta - in a Hunter you would be the fat pig at the back.

Besides, if I appreciate the beauty of our world so I try not to buy products from rich countries that won't sign Kyoto (ie america and australia) so I'd be delighted if I could put you off a Hunter!

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Yes - she'll be ashore in Hayling by then - so come and have a look - all part of the selection process for deciding what is most suitable for your future. I had plans like you - however SWMBO doesn't have the same urge, hence the change of plan


PM me when your back on shore

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Re: getting the ICC

Bryan and Wendy,

> We are also doing day skipper at nightschool this year to get the all important ICC!

This is an excellent idea, but it WON'T get you an ICC. You need a minimum of the Day Skipper PRACTICAL course for an ICC. Check out the ICC application form from the RYA <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.rya.org.uk/Cruising/faqs.asp?contentId=2373813>here</A> it lists the minimum requirements.

Tony Cross


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Re: getting the ICC

Sorry, but disagree. You can do ICC on it's own at a number of centres, without doing Dayskipper or indeed anything else. It's also possible to do this on Flotilla charters and is often sufficient qualification to charter in the Med. This is what I will probably do, preceeded by a Comp.Crew course, as to do Dayskipper practical, you are recommended to have sailing time logged prior to doing the course.

'There are 2 ways to obtain an ICC:

1. By completing the ICC application form and attaching a photocopy of your Practical certificate at Powerboat Level 2, Day Skipper or above. For clarification please consult the list of certificates eligible for conversion on the back of the ICC application form.

2. By taking a practical test at a RYA Training Centre or a RYA Affiliated Club authorised to carry out ICC tests. The syllabus is outlined in the form. The test lasts approximately half a day and can be taken on your own boat or one provided by a school or club. The test includes; questions on safety, collision avoidance and for coastal waters; navigation and piloting. The type of centre or club you will need to approach for a course or assessment will depend on the type of vessel you will be operating.'

Dayskipper Practical
Suggested minimum pre-course experience : 5 days, 100 miles, 4 night hours on board a sailing yacht.
Assumed Knowledge : Basic navigation and sailing ability


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Re: getting the ICC

Agreed there are other ways to get ICC than Day Skipper Practical, but my main point was to warn Bryan and Wendy that Day Skipper Theory, which is what I suspect they'll do a night school, doesn't get them an ICC.

Tony Cross

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Re: getting the ICC

We're doing day skipper practical as well, this summer, looking for somewhere to combine it with a holiday, probably gibraltar or canaries, as we will want tidal

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Give us a call when you are ready. SHe comes out of the water Saturday 24th for annual scrub up etc, last trip round to yard - will be very sad I think.

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Chris,
the boat looks great-I guess it has many happy memories! In honesty it's probably a little too early for us to actually buy right now, but we'd love to come over and see it anyway, if you are OK with that. Wendy is away crewing in the Carribean for the next two weeks (Not that I'm jealous!) so anytime after that would be good.


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Worth looking at plenty so you really understand what you want and why. Be glad to show you her - Last sail in her next week ind to take her round to the yard at Hayling to take her out. May change my mind about selling yet. - Mind you - it got SWMBO helping to clean her!

SWMBO's idea is to get something more modern - low maintenance, based in Turkey, and only moving in fine weather, - probably dry sailed and only launched fo a month or so a year. so no need for boat like a Victory. Oh well - will I ever be able to feel pride of ownership in one of those? They are so easy to manouver, there won't be any satisfaction in a difficult manouver!

Send me a PM when your ready.

Chris

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Re: getting the ICC

If you do comp crew, you should have the necessary logged hours to do Day Skipper practical and if you do DS practical, you automatically qualify for ICC.



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We've owned a 1992 Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 47 for the past five years. During 2001/2 we spent 18 months away exploring the coastline from The Solent to Barcelona and back. Our boat was bought with the express intention of living aboard and three adults (hubby, self & teenage son) found life aboard extremely comfortable AND we were were able to have lots of friends to stay.

Basically I'd advise that you go for a comfortable 'owners' version with fewer bunks and more living space rather than a charter version. Temptress is former and has three double cabins plus a spacious saloon.

Even though we returned to the UK & work we haven't changed our minds about our choice and escape to her vitually every weekend. She will be the boat we retire on to as soon as our bank balance allows!



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I live and sail in the med and I'd go for a boat built for warm climates i.e. a Beneteau /Jeanneau or similar 10-12m (owners version). They are very spacious, practical, good value and resellable easily. These boats probably can't stand up to extreme conditions as heavier boats can obviously (are you planning Cape Horn :-) but are fast and motor quietly (not much wind in July/August) and perfectly adequate for passage making in the med (and I imagine the caribean) . For hot summers they are ideal - that's probably why they are so many crammed into the ports in SFrance, Corsica, Sardinia.......(never done Caribe).

Go for it........



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