Bukh/Bosch problem

[DownWest]

Latestarter,
actually your reply was quite informative about the bits. The rant was more about going to a Ford Agency and getting bad service, at high prices. Followed by another Ford agent refusing to honour the warranty, leaving an unconnected garage with some nous to actually find the problem. BTW, this is the real world ,for people uninformed about the trade.
The comment about not known in europe was theirs, so lying? And their rebuild guy, didn't know his trade then. I explained the situation before going there, they should not have accepted the job.
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As an aside, after sales service here is generally bad.

 

[Bilgediver]

I smell a rat. I think they just want to fleece you for a new pump. I would have thought that Bukh/ Bosch could have given better service.
Your local fuel injection specialist should be able to help and a lot cheaper too. Take the pump off and give it to them for examination.
You may find that Lucas /Cav or some other maker may have a compatable one.

I second the route of your local injection specialist...The pump bodies are pretty standard and were same as on Volvo MD2 C etc with a particular mix of barrels and delivery valves . Your local injector bod would be able to service or replace just the requisite parts.Maybe just a valve spring or two

 

[Latestarter1]

I second the route of your local injection specialist...The pump bodies are pretty standard and were same as on Volvo MD2 C etc with a particular mix of barrels and delivery valves . Your local injector bod would be able to service or replace just the requisite parts.Maybe just a valve spring or two

Hey Bilgediver I had a heap of respect for your knowledge.

This is not the old Bukh thumper with Bosch unit pump system which I believe caused you to confuse with the Volvo MD, it has a modern Bosch VE family rotary pump with KSB cold start device from looking at diagrams. Speed of modern development means that the mechanical rotary pumps are no longer a main stream product for Bosch.

I will not normally have anything to do with little puddle jumper motors, however hit this Bosch issure when working on Daewoo/Avia Euro 3 motor and later on encountered exactly the same issue with a friends VM motor.

Water in the fuel wiped out the rotor head of the VM. Bosch dealer said three months for parts from Germany. I questioned this and found out that the issues were similar to those encountered with the Avia engine. If certain parts of the Bosch pump are unique to a specific motor Bosch will only build in batches. usually three months.

Small volume engine manufacturer has to shedule their production requirement to the batch build. For service it is even worse, not easy to predict requirement to support field failures. You either carry a huge expensive overhead in terms of service parts or wait for the next batch build from Bosch.

 

[grumpygit]

I would suggest that posters here are having a problem understanding some simple cocepts here;

However good the Bosch pump shops being suggested they will need PARTS to repair Bosch pump # 0460403004. Either on the dealers shelf or from the Bosch PDC in Germany.

Unless a dealer is holding a new rotor head assembly in stock where else can he go other than Bosch PDC which we have to assume has zero current stock level. The ONLY people who can bully Bosch is Bukh. There is much non genuine Bosch and Delphi stuff out there which pump shops use, however who would even consider producing non genuine parts for a low volume injector rump, economics just do not add up.

Just one of the issues you have to accept when buying either an old or low volume engine.

A bit of negativity and assumption me thinks Latestarter........

You seem to assume the pump needs a new rotor head assy?

Also that Bosch is not holding any parts for this pump?
or any of the big remanufacturers for that matter....

Has the avenue of a second opinion been made, because there only seems to be you that has suggested that it's had water ingress and the rotor head is knackered ?

There's other reputable spurious suppliers that just have what's required, such as Monark Germany or Holger Christiansen Denmark.

You may well be right with your guesstimate, but most of the time I like my glass half full.....

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[Latestarter1]

A bit of negativity and assumption me thinks Latestarter........

You seem to assume the pump needs a new rotor head assy?

Also that Bosch is not holding any parts for this pump?
or any of the big remanufacturers for that matter....

Has the avenue of a second opinion been made, because there only seems to be you that has suggested that it's had water ingress and the rotor head is knackered ?

There's other reputable spurious suppliers that just have what's required, such as Monark Germany or Holger Christiansen Denmark.

You may well be right with your guesstimate, but most of the time I like my glass half full.....

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Totally valid argument, however we can only rely on the infomation from the original poster which does have a ring of truth about it.

As to the cause of the failure if correctly identified 99.999% certain if Bosch pump head is screwed it has been subject to contaminated fuel, fact. I would just hate to see owner go though all this heartache and new/rebuilt pump go the same way as the first which it surely will unless cause is identified and fixed.

As to your very valid comment regarding good quality aftermarket Bosch stuff (NOT the stuff from China or India) the aftermarket suppiers tend to concentrate on the high volume parts business and stay away from the low volume stuff. Good spurious stuff comes out of Brazil and Turkey as well by the way. To be fair to Bosch they take a very hard nosed production approach because of the pressure from the spurious aftermaket.

Before anybody comes up with the argument that Bukh should take a pump from production stock you need to be aware that Bosch operate a two tier pricing structure with manufacturers, one price for production and another for service. In order for this to happen would take somebody at very high level to make the decision to ignore the Bosch supplier contract. Which is why I suggested a firm but polite letter to the very top.

 

[grumpygit]

Totally valid argument, however we can only rely on the infomation from the original poster which does have a ring of truth about it.

As to the cause of the failure if correctly identified 99.999% certain if Bosch pump head is screwed it has been subject to contaminated fuel, fact. I would just hate to see owner go though all this heartache and new/rebuilt pump go the same way as the first which it surely will unless cause is identified and fixed.

As to your very valid comment regarding good quality aftermarket Bosch stuff (NOT the stuff from China or India) the aftermarket suppiers tend to concentrate on the high volume parts business and stay away from the low volume stuff. Good spurious stuff comes out of Brazil and Turkey as well by the way. To be fair to Bosch they take a very hard nosed production approach because of the pressure from the spurious aftermaket.

Before anybody comes up with the argument that Bukh should take a pump from production stock you need to be aware that Bosch operate a two tier pricing structure with manufacturers, one price for production and another for service. In order for this to happen would take somebody at very high level to make the decision to ignore the Bosch supplier contract. Which is why I suggested a firm but polite letter to the very top.

I more or less concurr with you. The correct way imo would to investigate all possibilities.
I used to be a Bosch Service agent and time and time again I would back order with a long lead time and hey presto, it would turn up in a week. At times though you get something through and you would think, why have Bosch sent this.......because it had been that long ago when back ordered it had been forgotten about !

Nearly drinking out the same glass now...

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