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Not had too many dealings with Yacht Brokers, but the bad experiences outweighed the good about 3:1.

Bad experiences started at Deacons 16 years ago, when, with the full money available, no boat to sell, we were to view a Dehler 34. The Broker picked the keys off of his desk and said " Ah-you have arrived. The boat is on the hardstanding by our walk-on raised platform. When you have veiwed it, leave the kays on the desk. I wont be here, I have a real prospect down at Mercury!"

I would NEVER have bought a boat through that guy had it been EXACTLY what I wanted! We treated prospective punters in our motorbike shop better even if all they wanted was a £500 quid mo-ped!

Next we were turned away at 15:45 when opening hours were up to 16:00. "Sorry mate we're goin 'ome!" Boat sales/Brokerage at Hamble Point Marina.

Another turned up after we had driven 150 miles without any boat keys! "Surely you can see all you need from outside?" What a wally! All that way to not see the boat!

Then Ancaster International spent almost a year not selling our boat despite having six offers, 3 which we accepted, including one deposit, and a sea trial that went perfectly. Not impressed!

The good results were John Rodriguez - 'Jonic' of these pages - who was terrific. Good comunication, great insight to the market place, great advice on pricing which proved spot on. Jonic has that rare thing I value, old fashioned integrity.

Friday, we parted with our boat, the sale handled by Michael Rye of Boatpoint, based at Deacons Marina, Hamble. Handled perfectly, professionally and smoothly.
There was an early glitch due to the sudden leaving of a staff member, but Michael Rye dropped Boatpoints commission rate by 1% as it was not Boatpoints normal style.

An unexpected bonus and another Broker with that scarce commodity in this modern world, Integrity.

So, choose your Broker carefully!
 
rotrax said:
Not had too many dealings with Yacht Brokers, but the bad experiences outweighed the good about 3:1.

Bad experiences started at Deacons 16 years ago, when, with the full money available, no boat to sell, we were to view a Dehler 34. The Broker picked the keys off of his desk and said " Ah-you have arrived. The boat is on the hardstanding by our walk-on raised platform. When you have veiwed it, leave the kays on the desk. I wont be here, I have a real prospect down at Mercury!"

I would NEVER have bought a boat through that guy had it been EXACTLY what I wanted! We treated prospective punters in our motorbike shop better even if all they wanted was a £500 quid mo-ped!

Next we were turned away at 15:45 when opening hours were up to 16:00. "Sorry mate we're goin 'ome!" Boat sales/Brokerage at Hamble Point Marina.

Another turned up after we had driven 150 miles without any boat keys! "Surely you can see all you need from outside?" What a wally! All that way to not see the boat!

Then Ancaster International spent almost a year not selling our boat despite having six offers, 3 which we accepted, including one deposit, and a sea trial that went perfectly. Not impressed!

The good results were John Rodriguez - 'Jonic' of these pages - who was terrific. Good comunication, great insight to the market place, great advice on pricing which proved spot on. Jonic has that rare thing I value, old fashioned integrity.

Friday, we parted with our boat, the sale handled by Michael Rye of Boatpoint, based at Deacons Marina, Hamble. Handled perfectly, professionally and smoothly.
There was an early glitch due to the sudden leaving of a staff member, but Michael Rye dropped Boatpoints commission rate by 1% as it was not Boatpoints normal style.

An unexpected bonus and another Broker with that scarce commodity in this modern world, Integrity.

So, choose your Broker carefully!
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I have also had dealings with Michael Rye last year, I pulled out of the sale post-survey but also found he had integrity throughout the process and deposit was returned without an issue.

Have also had a very mixed bag as both a buyer and a seller, positive mentions for Mark Oldrey at Clipper Port Solent and the guys at Euroyachts in Troon and Largs.

Negative experiences with DDZ Marine at Largs and Michael Schmidt at Inverkip but found their Hamble office fine.
 
macca499 said:
I have also had dealings with Michael Rye last year, I pulled out of the sale post-survey but also found he had integrity throughout the process and deposit was returned without an issue.

Have also had a very mixed bag as both a buyer and a seller, positive mentions for Mark Oldrey at Clipper Port Solent and the guys at Euroyachts in Troon and Largs.

Negative experiences with DDZ Marine at Largs and Michael Schmidt at Inverkip but found their Hamble office fine.
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Ditto Michael Schmidt at Kip
 
rotrax said:
… " Ah-you have arrived. The boat is on the hardstanding by our walk-on raised platform. When you have veiwed it, leave the kays on the desk. I wont be here, I have a real prospect down at Mercury!"
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Can his comment be read two ways? The first as you perceived it, but the second is that he was saying ‘in addition to you I have another real prospect elsewhere. His job being to sell client’s boats, perhaps he felt you were happy to be left to look at boat A, whilst he went off to provide access to boat B.
 
fredrussell said:
Can his comment be read two ways? The first as you perceived it, but the second is that he was saying ‘in addition to you I have another real prospect elsewhere. His job being to sell client’s boats, perhaps he felt you were happy to be left to look at boat A, whilst he went off to provide access to boat B.
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Not in any way. Over the years I have interfaced with clients from spotty sixteen year olds after their first 'Fizzie' to senior and well known International Collectors wishing to buy or retain me to find important and collectable Classic Motorbikes worth as much as a substantial yacht. I can read people. He was dissmissive and demeaning. His whole attitude was wrong.

Even after all this time - 16 years - I cannot forget the words and the sneer as he said them.

Sorry, but I must speak as I find. :cautious:
 
Morning all

Has anyone had any dealings with Dean & Holland Yacht Brokers?

I'm overseas with work at present and not in a position to phone them. I've dropped them 3/4 e mails and messages about one of the boats they are currently advertising on their site over the last couple of weeks and the response has been silence?

I've been lucky enough to buy my previous boats directly from the owner so don't have much experience dealing with Brokers. That said a couple have been very responsive and helpful and even made walkthrough videos of the boats I was asking about.

James
 
Best conversation with a dealer always went like this . Ok, now I’ve seen you and you’re ok enough, here are the keys, let me know if there’s anything further I can do.
No pitch just facts and a transaction @ a +/- tbd price
 
You already know my opinion which also includes estate agents. They are a bunch of crooks in expensive suits and once you have shaken hands with them make sure your Rolex is still on your wrist.
 
rotrax said:
Not in any way. Over the years I have interfaced with clients from spotty sixteen year olds after their first 'Fizzie' to senior and well known International Collectors wishing to buy or retain me to find important and collectable Classic Motorbikes worth as much as a substantial yacht. I can read people. He was dissmissive and demeaning. His whole attitude was wrong.

Even after all this time - 16 years - I cannot forget the words and the sneer as he said them.

Sorry, but I must speak as I find. :cautious:
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It sounds like you are dealing with middle man/broker/agent PTSD, Brought on by Del Boy/Boyce type operatives.
 
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shanemax said:
You already know my opinion which also includes estate agents. They are a bunch of crooks in expensive suits and once you have shaken hands with them make sure your Rolex is still on your wrist.
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If I turned up to a yacht brokers and found a guy wearing a suit, I think I’d say, oops, sorry, wrong office, and leave. You expect the suit in an estate agents, and you know to look out for bear traps.
 
I've bought 3 boats via brokers, one whose name I don't remember was a blatant liar but the other two, Moody at Swanwick and Schmidt at Hamble Point were excellent. Only sold one boat through a broker, he was bone idle. Always too busy to show potential buyers around so I had to drive 160 mile round trip to show them myself and of course he still wanted his percentage.
 
Jim4244 said:
Morning all

Has anyone had any dealings with Dean & Holland Yacht Brokers?

I'm overseas with work at present and not in a position to phone them. I've dropped them 3/4 e mails and messages about one of the boats they are currently advertising on their site over the last couple of weeks and the response has been silence?

I've been lucky enough to buy my previous boats directly from the owner so don't have much experience dealing with Brokers. That said a couple have been very responsive and helpful and even made walkthrough videos of the boats I was asking about.

James
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Always better to start a new thread when asking a specific question. Otherwise your question gets lost.
 
There are good and bad.

My first purchase via a broker:
They talked to owner on the phone whilst I stood by.
“Prospective purchaser offers £x amount, do you accept?”

The owners stated only if all fenders were returned.
I replied that fenders were printed on the inventory. Broker sided with me. Told sellers the same on phone.

Sellers agreed. Cash handed over. Great broker. I did have to drive to seller’s house to return empty fuel containers: naive of me. Nice house. No one home. Left containers near porch. Fair old trip. No idea why I did not leave at brokers for owners to pick up.

30 odd years later used same brokerage to look at 5 boats.

Handed keys and left to it.

One boat had filthy dishes in sink and blocked heads.

I told broker, and said good luck selling that one. They said nothing. Other 4 boats in poor condition too. Standards had slipped perhaps.
 
Ancasta at Port Napoleon. Don't understand what Union Goods are and proof needed. Nice but nits. Frightened off the potential purchasers but I think they did me a favour. Kept the boat.
 
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