Britain By Boat - Tonight Channel 5 20:00- East Coast Episode

davidej said:
I wanted to see the bit about W Mersea so i sat through an hour of drivel.

Typical juvenile celeb stuff - I wont be watching any more.

but I suppose that is what the plebs want!
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Why must you insist on running down the viewing public. Is it because they are not yachtsmen & you think that you are an expert.?( i wonder if other yachtsmen think you are???) If one ignores the obvious technical errors to those who can recognise them the average viewer may have found it quite entertaining. That does not mean to say that they are any lower down the mental plane than the level at which you seem to have elevated yourself.

Some may well have enjoyed the chat between Seargent & Buerk. They may well have found the oyster tasting amusing. Personally I cannot stand the things but that does not mean to say it was rubbish TV.

To those that do not come from the east coast the fact that a bit of Ramsgate got mixed with Bradwell is really of little significance. The editor has made great play of sailing through the Thames estuary but what east coast sailor has not done so. I do not know many local sailors who do not think that their own turf is not the most challenging bit of coast in the entire world!!!!.So sailing through Fisherman's Gat was made to sound dangerous. There are those on this forum who laugh at that. However, there are some (In my own club included) who are s..t scared at the though of sailing through it.

So I would suggest that forumites accept that the programme is not specifically for them but the wider viewing public as well. If one ignores the editorial cock ups & views it as it is then one might ( I say might) just get to enjoy it.

There was a similar sort of programme a short while ago about model fliers re enacting the battle of Britain. I am a model flier & when i visited my club some of the fliers were highly critical. I found if one took ones modeler's hat off it became highly entertaining. The same goes for the great railway challenge. My son's father inlaw is a life long railway modeler, but as soon as one mentions the programme he will not shut up with his criticism of a very entertaining programme
Ask yourself ( If you saw either series) If you were not railway or model plane enthusiasts, did you find the series interesting? Possibly yes. Because you knew nothing about it & could not see the errors & so they did not really matter.
( Now say the opposite just to prove me wrong :encouragement:)

My wife & I will at least give the next episode of Britain by Boat a go before we make any decision either way.
 
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Daydream believer said:
Why must you insist on running down the viewing public. Is it because they are not yachtsmen & you think that you are an expert.?( i wonder if other yachtsmen think you are???) If one ignores the obvious technical errors to those who can recognise them the average viewer may have found it quite entertaining. That does not mean to say that they are any lower down the mental plane than the level at which you seem to have elevated yourself.
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I think that this, with your other comments is a fair enough, up to a point. I enjoy watching several of the sort of programme you mention, and most if not all are contrived to some extent. GBBO is perhaps the best-known, and possibly one of the more honest, though the scramble-to-finish editing is very irritating, and has become a broadcasting cliché. (That's nice, somebody put the accent in for me!). On the other hand, dishonest production is just another contributor to the current atmosphere of fake news and it doesn't take time or money to get things right, only intelligence from the producers and directors. Wildlife programmes have been criticised in the past but are becoming a bit better now. If they had taken you or me along to advise on filming this programme it could have been a lot better and no less entertaining.
 
johnalison said:
I think that this, with your other comments is a fair enough, up to a point. I enjoy watching several of the sort of programme you mention, and most if not all are contrived to some extent. GBBO is perhaps the best-known, and possibly one of the more honest, though the scramble-to-finish editing is very irritating, and has become a broadcasting cliché. (That's nice, somebody put the accent in for me!). On the other hand, dishonest production is just another contributor to the current atmosphere of fake news and it doesn't take time or money to get things right, only intelligence from the producers and directors. Wildlife programmes have been criticised in the past but are becoming a bit better now. If they had taken you or me along to advise on filming this programme it could have been a lot better and no less entertaining.
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I agree with your summary John. Whilst I cringed at points, there was an entertaining aspect to it that would appeal to the non sailor, I just wished they had gone into more explanation for the non sailor when they talked about technicalities such as tacking , so that the sailing part became more understandable and perhaps more expandable as the series developed.

GIven the way this episode was put together I do wonder if they have too many cooks as directorially it seemed more confused than the Deben entrance in a bad mood!

Let's hope the next one sorts itself out
 
Yes well any many years ago when BBC TV was in its infancy, thought and research pointed to a number of so called 'good tv production guides and practices' one of which became universally popular, that was if a Series of the production / plays was planned then never shoot the First of a series FIRST as the Crew and Actors are still learning their parts, always shoot 'out of sequence' so that when the first of the series is edited down ready for screening it come accross well as everyone is in charachter and ready to 'grab' the audiences attention right from the first episode.

Maybe the Production crews did shoot all in order of screening so therin lies a reason for non convincing performance from actors and filming crew plus Director ?

Just a thought from observing the production ?
 
Capt Popeye said:
Yes well any many years ago when BBC TV was in its infancy, thought and research pointed to a number of so called 'good tv production guides and practices' one of which became universally popular, that was if a Series of the production / plays was planned then never shoot the First of a series FIRST as the Crew and Actors are still learning their parts, always shoot 'out of sequence' so that when the first of the series is edited down ready for screening it come accross well as everyone is in charachter and ready to 'grab' the audiences attention right from the first episode.

Maybe the Production crews did shoot all in order of screening so therin lies a reason for non convincing performance from actors and filming crew plus Director ?

Just a thought from observing the production ?
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Difficult to do with a travelogue though - I think we might notice :)
 
bedouin said:
Difficult to do with a travelogue though - I think we might notice :)
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Yes kind Sir you do make a good point, but the viewers would not notice if the close up shots of those two, going about, reefing, tacking etc were edited out of sequence as long as there was no noticeable backgrounds visible.

As the first route was bgrd by a non working engine they could actually have redone the route again unlike a journey by scheduled train or ship where it might be impossible to reschedule the filming.
 
I didn't think the programme gave a good insight into boating in general to the average viewer, and for the first episode I thought it was a tragic waste of viewing time. They should have re-shot the start of the adventure missing out the whole embarrassment of getting a couple of yards out of the 1st harbour! Short days and long nights will likely mean I will continue to watch however :p
 
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