Brexit and replacement parts from Germany

[bdh198]

I recently ordered a replacement fairlead for our Hanse. Post-Brexit, I probably shouldn’t have been surprised to receive this response. I wish now I had ordered before Christmas! It’s very frustrating; I have no idea when they will sort out the customs issues, and haven’t been able to find any UK based suppliers.








(translation, thanks to Google: “Good day, Unfortunately, we do not go to the UK at the moment, we do not yet know how customs work.”)

 

[BabaYaga]

Try svb24.com.
See worldwide shipment:
SVB | Online shop for yacht and boat equipment
SVB | Online shop for yacht and boat equipment
As far as I understand you should be able to order ex VAT.

 

[bdh198]

Try svb24.com.
See worldwide shipment:
SVB | Online shop for yacht and boat equipment
SVB | Online shop for yacht and boat equipment
As far as I understand you should be able to order ex VAT.

Thanks, that site does indeed have the part I am looking for. I’ll get a refund from Segelladen (hopefully someone will speak English) and see if svb24.com can supply it ex VAT and without the customs issues.

 

[Tradewinds]

Thanks, that site does indeed have the part I am looking for. I’ll get a refund from Segelladen (hopefully someone will speak English) and see if svb24.com can supply it ex VAT and without the customs issues.

I'd be interested to see how you get on. I've used SVB a lot in the past and found them excellent to buy from. Up to 31st Dec carriage was a flat minimum €8 for many items. Now, out of the EU, it looks like carriage will go up to €24 minimum - quite a hike for small items. So near, yet now so far!

 

[bdh198]

I'd be interested to see how you get on. I've used SVB a lot in the past and found them excellent to buy from. Up to 31st Dec carriage was a flat minimum €8 for many items. Now, out of the EU, it looks like carriage will go up to €24 minimum - quite a hike for small items. So near, yet now so far!

I’ll keep you updated. When I placed the original order with segelladen.de there was a €21.90 shipping cost (DPD) for a 3kg item. This seems to have been a “Brexit surcharge” by DPD to cover the cost of the new customs procedure. However, now I’m concerned svb will struggle to find anyone to do the delivery... Subscribe to read | Financial Times

German logistics group DB Schenker on Wednesday became the latest major parcels operator to suspend cross-border delivery services because of new red tape and customs paperwork imposed by Brexit.
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Last week another major international delivery company, DPD, suspended deliveries from the UK to the EU, saying that up to 20 per cent of parcels had incorrect information attached.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Thanks, that site does indeed have the part I am looking for. I’ll get a refund from Segelladen (hopefully someone will speak English) and see if svb24.com can supply it ex VAT and without the customs issues.

You won't have to pay German VAT but svb24 will have to collect British VAT from you and be registered with HMRC to pass it on to them. A company that size probably will be, in due course, but might not be set up for it yet.

 

[BabaYaga]

svb24 will have to collect British VAT from you and be registered with HMRC to pass it on to them.

Not claiming you are wrong here, but why would they have to? Is that part of the new UK-EU trading deal? And if so, would the same apply for a EU citizen ordering from a UK based web shop?

 

[Deleted member 36384]

The EU company has to pay VAT on parcels of goods less than £135 and then revealing it back. UK buyer has to pay VAT on goods above £135.

Info on Government Web Site.

EU business: taxes and tariffs

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Paying VAT or claiming VAT refunds
Make sure you understand the new rules for paying import VAT on parcels you send to UK buyers.

You must pay import VAT on parcels you sell to UK buyers if you:

• are based outside the UK
• sell goods sent in parcels worth £135 or less to UK buyers

If you sell goods sent in parcels worth over £135, the import VAT, Customs Duty (and Excise Duty where applicable) should be paid by the UK buyer and collected by the parcel operator.

Check how to claim VAT refunds on goods and services you buy from the UK.

 

[AngusMcDoon]

And if so, would the same apply for a EU citizen ordering from a UK based web shop?

From July 1 2021, yes. This is legislation as a result of an EU directive that the UK was obliged to implement as we were still following EU rules up to 1/1/2021. It applies to all sellers who are outside of the EU who sell to customers in the EU.

Post Brexit UK seems to be following the same rules for sellers outside our customs area. This may change in the future for customers in the UK buying from sellers outside the UK, as we are now free to change it, but I doubt it. The rules won't change for customers in the EU buying from sellers outside the EU as it's new law.

The driver for this new scheme is the huge amount of VAT fraud on items bought online coming into the EU and UK from outside, China in particular, where the value is falsely declared as under the VAT threshold or marked as a gift. For transactions between UK and EU, either way, it is an embuggerance and an adminstrative cost that will reduce trade, as a result of Brexit. For trade between EU/UK and non EU/UK stopping the high level of VAT fraud perpetrated by sellers needs to be done, not just to raise the otherwise lost VAT revenue, but also to prevent the undercutting of local suppliers.

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

SVB24 has been very efficient and cost effective with deliveries over the years and they are big enough business to sort out this new Brexit problem eventually although prices will go up.
In my experience since December is that prices for items from Europe have gone up by 25% to 30% (ordered directly or via a UK company) and some items that come from China never arrived. This is the reality of Brexit.

 

[Iliade]

DHL can sort out the vat and duty on inbound consignments, billing you for the privilege, so long as the vendor completes the import paperwork correctly.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

DHL can sort out the vat and duty on inbound consignments, billing you for the privilege, so long as the vendor completes the import paperwork correctly.

Di they do that for goods with a value lower than £135? I ask because the Government's advice suggest it is the EU retailer that pays this.

 

[AngusMcDoon]

...and some items that come from China never arrived. This is the reality of Brexit.

The VAT problem of items from China is because of an EU directive. Brexit meant that we implemented it half a year earlier than the EU, but other than that, it is not a consequence of Brexit. It's coming to all EU purchasers in 6 months. Chinese sellers need to comply, or the platform they use to sell (ebay, alibaba etc. need to do it for them).

 

[matt1]

I recently ordered a replacement fairlead for our Hanse. Post-Brexit, I probably shouldn’t have been surprised to receive this response. I wish now I had ordered before Christmas! It’s very frustrating; I have no idea when they will sort out the customs issues, and haven’t been able to find any UK based suppliers.

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(translation, thanks to Google: “Good day, Unfortunately, we do not go to the UK at the moment, we do not yet know how customs work.”)

Well at least you didn’t do what I did and orderd parts last year and will be receiving them this week, meaning I am paying both German Vat and UK vat. So on £245 parts I’ve had a £46 uk gov charge and a £11 “broker“ fee! Eg plus 25%


Hanseboatoon is (or was in dec) still supplying Hanse parts to the UK

 

[st599]

DHL can sort out the vat and duty on inbound consignments, billing you for the privilege, so long as the vendor completes the import paperwork correctly.

Only for consignments over £135. Under the new rules below that threshold the retailer has to register with HMRC, collect VAT and send it to the UK Govt.

 

[st599]

Well at least you didn’t do what I did and orderd parts last year and will be receiving them this week, meaning I am paying both German Vat and UK vat. So on £245 parts I’ve had a £46 uk gov charge and a £11 “broker“ fee! Eg plus 25%


Hanseboatoon is (or was in dec) still supplying Hanse parts to the UK

I once bought a spare from the USA cost $5, then had to pay £24 broker fee.

 

[BabaYaga]

Only for consignments over £135. Under the new rules below that threshold the retailer has to register with HMRC, collect VAT and send it to the UK Govt.

And the same applies for business in the opposite direction, supposedly?
A UK based retailer, like ASAP for instance, will have to collect import VAT for customers in 27 countries (at variable rates) and send it off to their respective tax authorities?
I think they will lose some customers. Or more likely perhaps, they will not accept orders from EU customers for values under the threshold?

 

[lustyd]

The driver for this new scheme is the huge amount of VAT fraud on items bought online coming into the EU and UK from outside, China in particular

China is no worse than any other country. Sellers in the USA have done this for decades and suggesting China is any worse is pure racism and propaganda. I have never received a package from the US with a correct value listed, and quite a few American web shops actively encourage fraud on their pages and tell you in advance they plan to try to dodge duty and VAT on your behalf.

 

[Kelpie]

Well at least you didn’t do what I did and orderd parts last year and will be receiving them this week, meaning I am paying both German Vat and UK vat. So on £245 parts I’ve had a £46 uk gov charge and a £11 “broker“ fee! Eg plus 25%


Hanseboatoon is (or was in dec) still supplying Hanse parts to the UK

Ouch. I almost clicked the button on the solar panels that I need from Germany, but chickened out because of the risk of paying VAT twice. I thought I was being completely paranoid and that it was an absolute worst case scenario that was unlikely to happen.
Of course now the seller has simply stopped delivering here, and the best prices I can find for equivalent panels within the UK is 60% more expensive. So I'm stuffed either way.

 

[AngusMcDoon]

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China is no worse than any other country. Sellers in the USA have done this for decades and suggesting China is any worse is pure racism and propaganda. I have never received a package from the US with a correct value listed, and quite a few American web shops actively encourage fraud on their pages and tell you in advance they plan to try to dodge duty and VAT on your behalf.

I mention 'China in particular', because the number of parcels coming from internet sales from China into the UK and EU is many times the number coming from the USA, or anywhere else. It's the largest country of origin of goods into the UK and EU via internet retail sales by a long way. You can retract your unpleasant accusation if you like.