Twister_Ken
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Bosun\'s Chair, or Climbing Harness? nm
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Bosun's Chair, or Climbing Harness? nm
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wayneA
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Re: Bosun\'s Chair, or Climbing Harness? nm
Which ever way you like it Big Boy. ;-)
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Which ever way you like it Big Boy. ;-)
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claymore
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Re: Bosun\'s Chair, or Climbing Harness? nm
Personally - a climbing harness. I particularly like the black ones with the celtic designs on them - one has to be careful of the meat and two veg - I think modern climbers must have detachable tackle which they take off and leave in the car before going climbing. Women used to be able to buy bras which lifted and separated - Mountain Hardware harnesses seem to do the exact opposite - squidge and weld really. That said they do seem to distribute the (increasing) body weight a little more evenly than the old Whillans sit harness which, once tried explained perfectly why the Dear Don had such a high pitched whiney voice.
I also have a chalk bag to put any tools in as this is much preferable to Dear Heart than having screwdrivers and pliers raining down on her from a hole in the bottom of my Tesco carrier bag.
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Personally - a climbing harness. I particularly like the black ones with the celtic designs on them - one has to be careful of the meat and two veg - I think modern climbers must have detachable tackle which they take off and leave in the car before going climbing. Women used to be able to buy bras which lifted and separated - Mountain Hardware harnesses seem to do the exact opposite - squidge and weld really. That said they do seem to distribute the (increasing) body weight a little more evenly than the old Whillans sit harness which, once tried explained perfectly why the Dear Don had such a high pitched whiney voice.
I also have a chalk bag to put any tools in as this is much preferable to Dear Heart than having screwdrivers and pliers raining down on her from a hole in the bottom of my Tesco carrier bag.
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yoda
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Re: Bosun\'s Chair, or Climbing Harness? nm
Mast Steps
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Mast Steps
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claymore
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Re: Bosun\'s Chair, or Climbing Harness? nm
So - do you free climb with mast steps then?
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So - do you free climb with mast steps then?
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madman
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Rope ladder
Don't need all that. All you need is a rope ladder. Attach to halyard, pull to top of mast, swarm up and hey presto. I'd be a bit worried about going up the mast on an old boat like the twister though in case bits of it broke.
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Don't need all that. All you need is a rope ladder. Attach to halyard, pull to top of mast, swarm up and hey presto. I'd be a bit worried about going up the mast on an old boat like the twister though in case bits of it broke.
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claymore
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Re: Rope ladder
Same question then as to Yoda - would you free climb using a rope ladder?
Incidentally - its OK being rude and cheeky about twisters - wait till the old sod's medication wears off and he comes out of his slumbers, then you'll cop for it matey!
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Same question then as to Yoda - would you free climb using a rope ladder?
Incidentally - its OK being rude and cheeky about twisters - wait till the old sod's medication wears off and he comes out of his slumbers, then you'll cop for it matey!
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madman
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Re: Rope ladder
Well I would but I would'nt recommend that mere mortals should. I was'nt being rude about the twister just advising caution when it comes to an old boat like that. Such craft are prone to age related defects, for example the rudder fitting need changing every year as cavitation is often a problem on the stainless steel screws.
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Well I would but I would'nt recommend that mere mortals should. I was'nt being rude about the twister just advising caution when it comes to an old boat like that. Such craft are prone to age related defects, for example the rudder fitting need changing every year as cavitation is often a problem on the stainless steel screws.
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claymore
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Re: Rope ladder
mere mortals.
How do you stop the rope ladder from twisting round as you climb up it - talking of Twisters and once at the top - how do you tie off to give yourself 2 free hands and what do you tie off to what?
And anyway - I don't think you're out of the woods with the cavitation line - Ken's just not going to take that one lying down - in fact you've probably let us all in for some rambling diatribe on How the Twister Rudder Never Cavitates.
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mere mortals.
How do you stop the rope ladder from twisting round as you climb up it - talking of Twisters and once at the top - how do you tie off to give yourself 2 free hands and what do you tie off to what?
And anyway - I don't think you're out of the woods with the cavitation line - Ken's just not going to take that one lying down - in fact you've probably let us all in for some rambling diatribe on How the Twister Rudder Never Cavitates.
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Ohdrat
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Re: oh \'ekk looks like the rtn of boat wars.. nm
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claymore
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Its not going to be pretty
When Ken wakes up.
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When Ken wakes up.
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TheBoatman
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Re: Its not going to be pretty
Geezs some of you lot are brave talking about Twisters that way. Ken I'll have a fit<s>
I going off to find a house in Baghdad, It will be safer than this forum!
Bits falling off, cavitation, for Gods sake don't question the underwater profile<s>
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Geezs some of you lot are brave talking about Twisters that way. Ken I'll have a fit<s>
I going off to find a house in Baghdad, It will be safer than this forum!
Bits falling off, cavitation, for Gods sake don't question the underwater profile<s>
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extravert
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Re: Bosun\'s Chair, or Climbing Harness? nm
A serious reply to what I presume is a serious question...
I have and use both.
Climbing harnesses are very strong and will stay together under the large loads experienced in a climbing fall. A climbing harness is a mainly a fall arrester though. They are not designed for sitting in. You can safely sit in a climbing harness, but you certainly cannot sit comfortably in one for long. A few minutes and it really starts hurting.
Bosun's chairs are not designed to take fall loads so will be less strong (compare the size of the webbing). However, they are designed for sitting in, and I have comfortably sat in one for an hour at least.
So really it's better to use each for their designed purpose (you don't say what you are using them for). Going climbing? Use a climbing harness. Going up the mast? Use a bosun's chair. No doubt about it.
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A serious reply to what I presume is a serious question...
I have and use both.
Climbing harnesses are very strong and will stay together under the large loads experienced in a climbing fall. A climbing harness is a mainly a fall arrester though. They are not designed for sitting in. You can safely sit in a climbing harness, but you certainly cannot sit comfortably in one for long. A few minutes and it really starts hurting.
Bosun's chairs are not designed to take fall loads so will be less strong (compare the size of the webbing). However, they are designed for sitting in, and I have comfortably sat in one for an hour at least.
So really it's better to use each for their designed purpose (you don't say what you are using them for). Going climbing? Use a climbing harness. Going up the mast? Use a bosun's chair. No doubt about it.
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claymore
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Re: Bosun\'s Chair, or Climbing Harness? nm
So when I sit under long overhangs in my climbing harness for hours on end whilst I sort out moves and fix protection, I should really be in a bosuns chair.
A serious answer....give us a break!
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So when I sit under long overhangs in my climbing harness for hours on end whilst I sort out moves and fix protection, I should really be in a bosuns chair.
A serious answer....give us a break!
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jimi
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Re: Bosun\'s Chair, or Climbing Harness? nm
Disagree about climbing harnesses not being comfortable for sitting in. If thats the case you've got the wrong one. I've spent many hours on hanging belays whilst climbing. I would much rather have a harness, far safer IMHO!
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Disagree about climbing harnesses not being comfortable for sitting in. If thats the case you've got the wrong one. I've spent many hours on hanging belays whilst climbing. I would much rather have a harness, far safer IMHO!
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extravert
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Re: Bosun\'s Chair, or Climbing Harness? nm
Ok, so some people may find sitting in a climbing harness comfortable, but many don't. Perhaps Twister_Ken will have to try it and see. I'm on my third harness now, and for truly hanging at the top of a mast (as opposed to hanging but using your feet to push off which can be done on many hanging belays) none of them is comfortable for me for long.
I would agree that the old fashioned bosun's chair (a plank of wood held by 4 ropes) is not safe, and should be used with a harness as well. However, my bosun's chair is a modern one, like a climbing harness with fabric between the straps for sitting on. I can't see it's particularly unsafe, and was comfortable when I had to spend a whole cold Sunday afternoon at the top of my mast to get a new mouse line down after the previous one was lost. If I'd done that in any of my climbing harnesses I wouldn't have been able to walk straight until Wednesday.
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Ok, so some people may find sitting in a climbing harness comfortable, but many don't. Perhaps Twister_Ken will have to try it and see. I'm on my third harness now, and for truly hanging at the top of a mast (as opposed to hanging but using your feet to push off which can be done on many hanging belays) none of them is comfortable for me for long.
I would agree that the old fashioned bosun's chair (a plank of wood held by 4 ropes) is not safe, and should be used with a harness as well. However, my bosun's chair is a modern one, like a climbing harness with fabric between the straps for sitting on. I can't see it's particularly unsafe, and was comfortable when I had to spend a whole cold Sunday afternoon at the top of my mast to get a new mouse line down after the previous one was lost. If I'd done that in any of my climbing harnesses I wouldn't have been able to walk straight until Wednesday.
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Twister_Ken
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Nothing wrong with my mast
Old, long, solid, reliable.
And the one on the boat's not in bad nick either.
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Old, long, solid, reliable.
And the one on the boat's not in bad nick either.
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Laurin
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Re: Bosun\'s Chair, or Climbing Harness? nm
Definitely climbing harness...... in fact I often take mine with me on other peoples boats so under no circumstances would I even have to consider a bosuns chair!... the last one I sat in I didn't even feel comfortable let alone safe.
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Definitely climbing harness...... in fact I often take mine with me on other peoples boats so under no circumstances would I even have to consider a bosuns chair!... the last one I sat in I didn't even feel comfortable let alone safe.
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