Boats.co.uk have today become the exclusive UK dealer for Williams

lupa said:
I am deeply sorry for any offence caused. It was written with my tongue firmly in cheek.
I thought that luxury motorboat ownership was meant in part to show the world you have made it in life.
I am sure a Williams jet boat as a tender must be in some way a statement of success of which I recognise.
Jealous? Of course I am.
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Well done.

Now let's get back to discussing boats and boating. Any stories to tell us?

And a question from me, i see you're a refrigeration man, do you deal with boat fridges/freezers as I'm in the market to replace mine.
 
lupa said:
It was written with my tongue firmly in cheek.
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I must say that I for one did read your comment as a sort of joke, but based on other replies, and the fact that English isn't my first language, I guessed I was the one who misunderstood...
Also, I don't disagree that quite often there's a status symbol component in boat ownership, but in this respect the forum does NOT represent well the real world.
I mean, I can think of a several folks who purchased a gin palace mostly to show off, but NONE of them would even think of reading - let alone contributing to - a boat forum.
Otoh, all the forumites I met, bar none (and some of them have pretty big boats, which could well qualify as the success statement you are talking about), are genuinely interested in boats as such, rather than the status symbol which is commonly associated with them.
Hence their decision to use some of their (very valuable) time to contribute to the asylum...
Imho, this is something worth bearing in mind, when posting around here. :)
 
Originally Posted by lupa I am deeply sorry for any offence caused. It was written with my tongue firmly in cheek.
I thought that luxury motorboat ownership was meant in part to show the world you have made it in life.
I am sure a Williams jet boat as a tender must be in some way a statement of success of which I recognise.
Jealous? Of course I am.



Thank you
 
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ari said:
Seems a bit unfair, I'd be gutted if I bought a Williams and it didn't earn me a 'big man' platitude. :D
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:D :D Thing is, Sammy (whom I had the pleasure of meeting at an impromptu forum drinks at Cannes boat show) is a Samantha type of Sammy, not a Samuel type of Sammy. :D:D
 
I haven't even got a boat at the moment...

But, I would still be interested to know if jet tenders have moved on beyond blocked intake issues. Guess they might have found a way of addressing this without involving a major strip down or jfm would not be talking about moving back to one?
 
jfm said:
:D :D Thing is, Sammy (whom I had the pleasure of meeting at an impromptu forum drinks at Cannes boat show) is a Samantha type of Sammy, not a Samuel type of Sammy. :D:D
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Aaaahhh...

Yes, on balance a 'big girl' platitude might not be warmly received... :D
 
MapisM said:
I must say that I for one did read your comment as a sort of joke, but based on other replies, and the fact that English isn't my first language, I guessed I was the one who misunderstood...
Also, I don't disagree that quite often there's a status symbol component in boat ownership, but in this respect the forum does NOT represent well the real world.
I mean, I can think of a several folks who purchased a gin palace mostly to show off, but NONE of them would even think of reading - let alone contributing to - a boat forum.
Otoh, all the forumites I met, bar none (and some of them have pretty big boats, which could well qualify as the success statement you are talking about), are genuinely interested in boats as such, rather than the status symbol which is commonly associated with them.
Hence their decision to use some of their (very valuable) time to contribute to the asylum...
Imho, this is something worth bearing in mind, when posting around here. :)
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Your English is better than mine and I was born here and have lived here for over 50 years :-)
 
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Good post MM -#22

You EN is amazingly good. As you are SO good at EN you might as well become perfect and study things like difference between "which" and " that", which btw most EN natives don't know. Your "than the status symbol which is commonly associated with them" should have said "that". :D
 
jfm said:
difference between "which" and " that", which btw most EN natives don't know.
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LOL, ok, I'll avoid to all EN natives the embarassment of asking which is the rule, do tell!? :D
Must admit that I used "which" in the above sentence just because it sounded appropriate, in my mind....
 
MapisM said:
LOL, ok, I'll avoid to all EN natives the embarassment of asking which is the rule, do tell!? :D
Must admit that I used "which" in the above sentence just because it sounded appropriate, in my mind....
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MM,
as another foreigner, I do admire your EN, but I'd agree with JFM on "that" being more appropriate to (or is it than?) "which" in this (or is it that?) particular context, BUT I've no clue on why! Doubt there's a clear cut written rule that can be easily communicated.

IMHO, life's too short to worry on such tiny details (btw my pet hate is the (mis)use of "their" and "there"...)

cheers

V.
 
Nick_H said:
You'd never guess it's winter would you? :D
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Haha, yeah!
Talking of selling kidneys to buy a Sanlorenzo in a thread about Princess accounting gives another hint... :ambivalence:
But I'll be flying down under in a few days, thanks God. Goodbye European winter, hello Tasmanian summer! :cool:
 
MapisM said:
LOL, ok, I'll avoid to all EN natives the embarassment of asking which is the rule, do tell!? :D
Must admit that I used "which" in the above sentence just because it sounded appropriate, in my mind....
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As far as I can tell it has to do with restrictive/non-restrictive relative clauses, look here -> http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/103103whichthat.htm

Makes complete sense in the examples given but I'm struggling a bit to apply the rule to the sentence in question (although 'that' might have been my choice as well by a 60-50 change :) ). Confusing these finer intricacies of english language.

+1 to what has been said about your english, I also often admire it :)

And sorry for taking the TD even further...
 
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It's hard to state many EN rules that don't have exceptions, but a good "rule of thumb" to remember with this one is to think of "which" as preceding something incidental and "that" as preceding something which defines one of the nouns without which the sentence wouldn't work well.

Examples: "The ship that ran aground in the Solent last week contained cars" - this is a mandatory "that" because the words "ran aground in Solent last week" are integral to defining which ship we're talking about. In contrast "He placed an order with the Sanlorenzo yard, which is close to his home, to build his next yacht" because the sentence works and doesn't leave anything lacking a definition even if you remove the whole "which" clause. The "which" clause merely adds further colour, but isn't necessary to assist defining "Sanlorenzo yard". I admit of course that you'd get away with "which" and "that" respectively in those 2 examples, in the sense that people would understand you, but when you're at MapisM standard with little EN left to learn I though it was raising this OT discussion

You could therefore say "Deleted User bought the boat, which pleased his wife, that SanLorenzo had in stock" or "Deleted User bought the boat that pleased his wife, which SanLorenzo had in stock" and they would mean different things (slightly clumsy example, I admit) and you could illustrate the difference by writing them as "Deleted User bought the boat, which happened incidentally to please his wife (not that he cared), that SanLorenzo had in stock" or "Deleted User bought the boat that pleased his wife, which incidentally SanLorenzo happened to have in stock though it wouldn't have mattered if Ferretti had had it in stock"

BTW all the above isn't a perfect masterclass in that/which. It's just a pragmatic way of remembering the distinction as most cases fall into the category of "incidental info/embellishment" (= which) or "part of defining what thing you're talking about" (=that)

Getting back to MapisM's sentence "all the forumites I met, bar none (and some of them have pretty big boats, which could well qualify as the success statement you are talking about), are genuinely interested in boats as such, rather than the status symbol which is commonly associated with them", I apologise that I've just noticed there are 2x which. I was referring to the second one. The first is a 50/50 and could be either "that" or "which" depending upon what precisely its writer wanted to say, but the second should be a "that" imho
 
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